[MD] The Fringe Factor

[Micah]

Arlo,

If no one was here to know the cat was hungry, how would we know?

If you are the only human alive, how would you know you're alive? Or sane?
Two or more humans are required to have shared objective reality.

Humans are the only animals that measure.

Micah


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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of ARLO J BENSINGER JR
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [MD] The Fringe Factor


[Micah]
If you die tonight, could you prove that your cat exists?

[Platt]
No. But my neighbor could and she'll be glad to tell you.

[Arlo]
Go beyond this. If every human died tonight, would your cat still need food
tomorrow? It certainly would. Or, ask it this way, if every human died
tonight
but ME, would your cat wherever it is need food? Would it need food because
Arlo is alive and "measuring things".

If there is anything "tedious" here, Micah, its your absurd circular logic,
and
your hyper-repitition of a phrase as if someone the more you say it the more
true it becomes.

Arlo is the measure of all things for Arlo.
Platt is the measure of all things for Platt.
Micah is the measure of all things for Micah.
UTOE is the measure of all things for UTOE. (That's Platt cat)

His measurement may not be as sophisticated, but its a measurement, and it
is
awareness. And if all humans disappeared overnight, UTOE would still need to
eat. Now, I part ways from Platt in my belief that the socio-cultural aspect
of
man's awareness is what gives man the profoundly greater abilities we see.
But
animals use tools, use language, use primative semiotis, can tell their
reflection in a mirror, experience pleasure and pain, and show emotions.

To suggest that in the absense of "man", "reality" would cease to exist is,
by
far, the most absurd thing I've seen posted to this forum in quite sometime.


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