[MD] One for Ham

[gav]

your self and all selves are ideas.

who 'you' actually are is the same witnessing
consciousness that allows anything to exist, including
all the other selves.


--- Ham Priday <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:

> 
> Hi Gene --
> 
> 
> > I found this online and thought I might share it
> with you.
> > I don't honestly expect it to change anything, but
> it'd be cool
> > if you sat down and thought about it for a bit and
> not just
> > dismiss it out of hand.
> >
> > "Having found no self that is not other, The
> seeker must find
> > that there is no other that is not self, So that
> in the absence of
> > both other and self, There may be known the
> perfect peace,
> > Of the presence of absolute absence."
> > -"The Tenth Man" by Wei Wu Wei
> 
> Okay, I'm sitting down after thinking about it a
> bit.  I would like the
> conclusion better if Wie Wu had equated "perfect
> peace" with absolute
> Essence, since "absolute absence" is pure
> nothingness.  In that context,
> Peace is only a euphemism (R.I.P.).
> 
> I would also question the premise that leads to his
> conclusion.  Assuming
> that all experience is either Self or Other, if one
> believes in an absolute
> essence, the absence of both Other and Self defines
> this essence.  If one
> does not believe in an absolute essence, the absence
> of Other and Self
> reduces to pure Nothingness.
> 
> But what is the Self, or Selves, that I am looking
> for, and why?
> 
> I am the "seeker".  I am a "self" that is not other.
>  Therefore, it is not
> true that ALL selves are other, and the conclusion
> is false.  It is true
> that I can find no THING that is not other.  A
> person is a thing to me in
> the sense that it is an object of my experience.  I
> can only assume a
> "self", since I don't experience other persons as
> "selves" -- as subjective
> (self-aware) identities.  I only know that all
> persons are other to MY self.
> 
> So I don't see what new insight this rubric (koan?)
> offers.  Perhaps you
> will explain its significance to me and what you
> think it might "change".
> 
> Regards,
> Ham
> 
> moq_discuss mailing list
> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
>
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> Archives:
>
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
> 



		
____________________________________________________ 
On Yahoo!7 
Fuel Price Watch: Find the cheapest petrol in your area 
http://au.maps.yahoo.com/fuelwatch/