[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[Micah]

Case,

Please review the definition of Solipsism. I am not espousing Solipsism, I
do not say we control reality.

But you are right this is about faith. 2 + 2 = 4, I know this is logical,
but is it also an article of faith? Could 2 + 2 = 5 with enough faith? Or is
logic not a faith?


Micah



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Subject: Re: [MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters


[Micah]
You are confused, we now exist independent of the Dodo bird (extinct), and
we would still exist if we killed all monkeys (which I do not advocate), but
nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans and I hate to keep
harping on this - but this a fact. I know of only one reality - please
describe the "other" reality.

[Case]
An important point you are missing is that there is no WE in what you are
describing. Everything you are saying about Dodo birds and monkeys applies
to all of the humans you know as well. You have no basis for attributing
consciousness or awareness to them either. You are espousing naked
solipsism. The fact that there is no logical argument around this problem is
not surprising since none has yet to be offered up. At present the only
escape from solipsism is faith. You claim to have no faith and yet you
appeal to logic. What is that if not an act of faith in logic? In any event
logic will not solve the problem.


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