[MD] A formalised Code of Art

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

>From: Squonkonguitar at aol.com
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>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Subject: Re: [MD] A formalised Code of Art
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:28:00 EDT
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>Hello everyone
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>Hi Mark
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><snip> ...the Buddha used spoken  language skills to tell others of his
>discovery
>so it would seem by such use  of language he was manipulating abstract
>symbols. Thus intellectual quality  does come in, imo.
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>Mark 13-10-06: Hello Dan.
>I agree. He was attacking static social patterns with intellectual  skill.
>I think the Buddha helped initiate Eastern Intellectual development.
>But the poem under discussion is part of the initial attack! So,  how can
>intellectual patterns be included in the body of the references in the  
>poem
>itself?

Hi Mark

I am unsure what you're asking here. So far as I know, the Buddha offered no 
relief to the poor, he didn't heal the sick, and he didn't feed the hungry 
and house the homeless. He was pretty much apolitical too. Yet he taught how 
to end the suffering of every sentient being. The Buddha taught that there 
are no divisions but those we make in our own minds and then declare to be 
true. His teachings seem to go way beyond the social structures of his day, 
or our day for that matter. You seem to be not only trivializing what Robert 
Pirsig is saying, but the teachings of Buddhism as well. But as I said, 
perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying.

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>Dan:
>You're taking a very simple quote and intellectualizing it into  something
>that runs on and on like a monkey chasing a monkey. If that seems  
>esoteric,
>well, then I guess it is esoteric.
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>Mark 13-10-06: I don't think you're being esoteric here.
>I don't think i'm intellectualising to the extent you portray.
>It's simple with a little reflection - i'm not doing tensor sets or shit
>like that.

I know you don't think you are intellectualizing. I'm like that too. Still, 
often times I find that instead of endlessly chattering and running around 
with my "monkey mind" looking for that which I have yet to find, I simply 
settle down. Once I sit for a while I see it's right there in front of me 
and has been all along. One day you'll see that too.

Thanks for your comments,

Dan