[MD] A formalised Code of Art

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

>From: "Gene M" <boredandunstable at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Subject: Re: [MD] A formalised Code of Art
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:19:26 -0400
>
> > Tell me about your very first sip of beer. Remember? What was the taste?
> > Not
> > what did it taste like, but what was the taste? I remember and I bet you
> > do
> > too. Tell me.
>
>
>Gag, disgust, effort,  gradual enjoyment, acceptance, joy.

No, I said the first time you tasted beer, not the first time you had sex...

>
> >
> > >Tell me of the color red.
> > >
> > >
> > >  blood, heart, sky, hate, love, family, loud, shade.
> >
> > Please tell me about red. Not things red. I am color blind. I've seen
> > blood
> > but for me it is a just another shade of grey. You're not telling me
> > anything here.
>
>
>I am describing for you Precisely what red is for me. I would say that
>several of those words could in no way be called Red. They are the things I
>relate to red. If you understand what Red is associated with, you will know
>Red.

Even if I have never seen red? I don't understand.

>
> >
> > >Inform me on the smell of burning leaves.
> > >
> > >Autumn.
> >
> > Right. My sense of smell though, its gone weak. I remember what autumn
> > smells like but tell me about the smell of burning leaves. Describe it 
>for
> > me.
>
>
>Carbon, smoke, heat, moist, earth, rain, summer.
>
>I assure you, my descriptions are complete and accurate. Any difficulty you
>have understanding them is purely a perceptual problem on your part.

Exactly! The difficulty in understanding is that colors and tastes and 
smells are biological patterns of value, not intellectual patterns. I know 
what beer tastes like when it hits my tongue and slides down my throat but I 
can't explain the taste in a way that someone else understands other than 
appealing to shared experiences. I understand what gav is saying but I think 
it is inaccurate to say everything is intellectual patterns of value.

Thank you for your comments,

Dan