[MD] On Men, Measures and "Reality"

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Micah]
Reality is objective in the presence of two or more humans.

[Arlo]
Intellectual patterns of value (that are part of human consciousness) depend on
the presence of two or more humans. Inorganic and biological patterns of value
do not. The "endless landscape" existed before us, and is independent of us,
while our paintings, built through selective perception of this endless
landscape, are not. 

Long before "menkind" (I like this, Case), inorganic and biological patterns of
value existed, experienced and were thus "objective", independent of menkind's
measurement. (I'm leaving "social" out of this for now, since its irrelevant to
Micah's immediate claim. However, its an interesting side discussion for some
point.) As DMB (I believe) said, just because an animal may not hold a concept
for "pain" does not mean it does not experience it.

"Reality", which I assume you mean the amalgamation of inorganic and biological
patterns of value, existed long before the presence of "two or more humans",
and will likely exist long after the last two humans disappear.