[MD] Barfuesserkirche (ZMM & Dewey)

[Jaclyn Engele]

Platt:  "...I can see where most European countries might welcome his 
socialist views."

This says more about your understanding than it does about David's. 
European countries can not be considered to be 'socialist', they are a much 
more complex combination of qualities including capitalism, socialist is too 
simplistic.


David said(I'm copying this from Platt's email): "Freedom and individuality 
are not inborn givens. They are the results or the fruits of a consciously 
tended communal life."

This sounds like it fits the MOQ.  Freedom and Individuality are 
intellectual qualities.  Sociologically, they are to be supressed to the 
greater good of the society, but in some nations, they are valued at a level 
that exceeds that of the values of the society.  The MOQ says that when two 
generally accepted values from two levels conflict, the values from the 
higher level should prevail.  When there is no conflict, the values of the 
lower level should remain intact.

 In the US, the preamble to the constitution states the premise that the 
authority to govern comes from the people not from the divine.  This is the 
example that the US set for the world.  Unfortunately it seems the battle 
between nationalist isolationism and the higher intellectual levels are 
still raging here in the US possibly more so than in Europe.


Platt said:  "...in the founding document of the U.S., individuals are
"endowed by their Creator" with life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness."

This is from the declaration of independance.  If there were to be one 
document that defined the US it would be the constitution which is a 
positive statement of what Americans stand for.  The DoI is a rejection of 
British values concerning the colonies, in other words within the context of 
British values.

Jim Engele