[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[Ron Kulp]

 Thanks for the welcome Case,  
I agree with your statements about the political threads, yikes!, talk
about your logic traps.
Your  ideas of Tao/MOQ hit a chord  too..I've been thinking along the
very same lines for quite awhile.


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No problem, Ron welcome to the MoQ. I did not think you were a loon but
even if you were there would be plenty of company here.

Case

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Don't mean to be, I'm working as I write here, I'm a draftsman and
forget to unlock my caps when I get into a good debate..
I forgot how that comes off..my apologies..you must think me a loon.
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Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:32 PM
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And as the Firesign Theaters guys would say:

"There's a seeker born every minute."

But seriously Ron why are you SHOUTING?

Case

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of LARAMIE LOEWEN
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You don't want to confuse the metaphor with reality.  But you also don't
want a poor metaphor.  Too many seekers aim for merely experiencing that
intangible

"quality" of the mind, and not developing a consistent metaphor.  In the
end, the metaphor is what matters.  
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  is there evidence of animals holding concepts independent of man?


  I WOULD THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE "NO"  ONE WOULD THINK HUMAN
CONCEPTUAL
  ORIGINS HAD ITS BEGINNINGS RIVALING THAT OF MODERN PRIMATES
  THE MIND SEEMS TO HAVE AN INTANGIBLE "QUALITY" THAT SEEMS NIETHER TO
BE
  DEFINED NOR MEASURED
  BY ANY PHYSICAL OR CONCEPTUAL MEANS.
  THE MINDS FIRST AND ORIGINAL COGNITIVE PROCESS SEEMS TO BE DETERMINING
  WHAT IS GOOD AND
  WHAT IS NOT GOOD. WHEN DEVELOPED THIS SEEMS TO ORIGINATE AND
  MANIFEST ITSELF AS ANALOGIE AND METAPHOR, DEVELOPING INTO "NAMING"
  AND COMMUNICATIVE LANGUAGE. CREATING A MICROCOSIM USED TO UNDERSTAND
AND
  COPE WITH THE SURROUNDING
  ENVIRONMENT. THE MISTAKE IS CONFUSING THIS "METAPHOR OF THE MIND" WITH
  ACTUAL REALITY 
   
  WHAT SEEMS TO SEPERATE THE HUMAN MIND FROM OTHERS IS THE ABILITY TO
  CONCIEVE OF ITS OWN
  NON-EXISTENCE.

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