[MD] Intellect battles the barbarians
pholden at davtv.com
pholden at davtv.com
Wed Oct 25 11:45:20 PDT 2006
Quoting Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu>:
See below. It's nice to have Arlo on record as favoring women going topless
in public if they so choose. I wonder if by his same higher intellectualism he
has no objection to their going bottomless, too. If not, why not? After all,
Arlo has no sexual proclivities; it's just culture that makes a woman's body
sexual. And, of course, all cultures are morally equal. We shouldn't judge them.
> [Craig]
> The closest we've gotten is during the hightlight of women's liberation
> when they went sans bra.
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> [Arlo]
> In the actual article Platt references, the woman is only demanding that
> girls under the age of 15 be forbidden from wearing a veil, because "By
> putting a veil on a girl you are immediately saying to the outside world
> that she is sexually mature and has to be covered."
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> If that is a champion for the "intellectual level", how does that differ
> from "By putting a top on a girl you are immediately saying to the outside
> world that she is sexually mature and has to be covered"? Shouldn't the
> same intellectual level victory then say that girls under the age of 15 be
> forbidden from wearing (for example) bathing suits that cover their
> breasts, because we don't want to say to the outside world that she is
> sexually mature?
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> What this will all boil down to, is that "Platt's Pappy told him that girls
> chests are sexual but their faces are not". Despite the fact that both are
> only made sexual by culture. Men have faces, and men have chests (with
> nipples they are allowed to parade in public). Why are the same features on
> a girl "sexual" in either case? It is a matter of one cultural (social
> level) pattern of sexuality versus another. In both cases, its a matter of
> men covering up parts of women's bodies they find "sexual". Shouldn't women
> be able to decide for themselves what parts of their bodies they want to
> cover, and what parts they don't? You see, I'm not arguing for veils, I'm
> arguing for choice. If a woman wants to wear a veil or wear a shirt, all
> power to them. But if they don't, who are men who sexify their body parts
> to tell them what should be covered and what should not? Or, conversely, if
> Muslim men are as turned on by faces as American men are by breasts,
> shouldn't they too have the right to force women to cover up what they find
> provocative? Or, is it only immoral when it opposes Platt's personal sexual
> proclivities?
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