[MD] guidebook/primer

[ian glendinning]

Ant, first, apologies for the slow response ... travelling, work, etc ...

Can I say thanks for this constructive input. When I said "already
consulted", I was referring in general terms to other publication
initiatives, not specifically "the primer" - Marsha had said "and
stuff". And of course as I mentioned, Bob told us he reads these posts
anyway.

(But I think you should pay heed to the unhealthy "inner circle"
comments by others, like Case in this thread by way of example. That's
my "conscience pricking" motive.)

Anyway ... back to ... different material for different audiences.
I'll leave the undergrad and post-grad philosophy and other
academically interested audiences to you and Mark (and others). I'm
talking Joe Public / John & Jane Doe. People who get their daily world
views from the media, news, "the water-cooler" and party politics.
(I'll respond separately to DMB's "dumbing down" comment.)

And I'm not talking about "educating" them in the MoQ as a philosophy,
just enlightening them of the positive consequences of a world-view
based on MoQ thinking. With quality writing, like Bob's (and DMB's and
Gav's)

Sincerely,
Ian
(PS: Your characterisation on my MoQ "epiphany" is highly misleading
BTW. I had the MoQ world-view before I read Pirsig, just didn't have a
name for it, or the objective dualism that's plaguing the world - ZMM
was a "seed crystal". My world-view had already changed in the 10 / 20
years before that. Anyway, that's history. But clearly I have my own
perspective to write from ... if I were any good at it.)




On 10/13/06, Ant McWatt <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Ian G stated to DMB and Marsha October 12th:
>
> >Clearly Bob has been consulted by those in contact with him
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Well, I haven't spoken with Pirsig about a "Guidebook to LILA" or anything
> like it for a few months (at least).
>
> MarshaV asked October 11th:
>
> >Has anyone asked RMP what he thinks of this group creating a
> >guidebook or primer??????
>
> Marsha, I remember discussing a "Primer" with Pirsig about ten years ago.  I
> think he's up for anything like that _as long as_ it is a Quality piece of
> work.  BTW, I always saw the MOQ Textbook as basically the result of this
> late 1990s conversation (see the 2001 letter from Daniel Colonnese of MOQ
> Discuss quoted at the front of the Textbook!).
>
> This recent "Guidebook to LILA" idea arose from Gavin and my recent video
> interviewing of Ronald Di Santo (the co-author of the "Guidebook to ZMM").
> Di Santo was enthusiastic about the MOQ (which he understood very well) and
> related how he used it (and ZMM) in philosophy classes at undergraduate
> level for a number of years.  Very encouraging.  Di Santo would have
> compiled/written the LILA guidebook himself except Thomas Steele (the other
> co-author of the "Guidebook to ZMM") moved away to New Mexico in the early
> 1990s.
>
> Ian G stated to Marsha in one of his eleven (!) Discuss posts of October
> 11th:
>
> >We have already acknowledged
> >some great sources of material for such a summary, clearly Ant's is a
> >great resource, but it was aimed at a philosophically intellectual
> >audience, and like most stuff at hand, would benefit from some editing
> >for general public consumption.
>
> Ian, as the MOQ Textbook is already meant "for general public consumption",
> where exactly do you think it would benefit from editing?  It would be
> helpful to know as I can always alter future editions to take account of
> your suggestions.
>
>
> Ian G also wrote in another of his eleven Discuss posts of October 11th:
>
> >"Thou Art That" is indeed a succinct summary ... but it needs "wisdom"
> >... of the kind you obviously have ... to appreciate that fact.
>
> Ant McWatt comments:
>
> Of course, psychedelics come to mind here as being helpful to appreciate
> this particular pearl of "wisdom" and, in general, breaking through the
> static doors of (mis-)perception that the typical Western upbringing
> imposes.
>
> I'm just reading an interesting book on the subject titled "Sacred Mushrooms
> of Visions: Teonanacatl" edited by Ralph Metzner (a college buddy of Tim
> Leary's) and published by Park Street Press (see www.InnerTraditions.com for
> more details of this book and similar).  The second half of the text include
> various accounts of psilocybin mushroom users titled, amongst others, "I
> felt the vitality of what it is like to be primitive" (possibly one for
> those Owen Barfield fans out there), "I Saw my Entire Worldview and Value
> system Realign" (which sounds like one for Ian) and "Pondering the
> separation What I Experience and What Actually is" (possibly one for Ham and
> others still stuck in SOM).
>
> Maybe we can put a few similar accounts in the "Guidebook to LILA"?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> .
>
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