[MD] So cometh MOQ, what next?

[Heather Perella]

Case,

    Some very interesting points here.  I have some
comments and questions that with your help I hope to
generate some clarity.

     [Case quotes] 
> Or as Lao Tzu says:
> "When a disciplinarian does something and no one
> responds He rolls up his sleeves in an attempt to
enforce
> order.
> Therefore when Tao is lost, there is goodness.
> When goodness is lost, there is kindness.
> When kindness is lost, there is justice.
> When justice is lost, there is ritual.
> Now ritual is the husk of faith and loyalty, the
> beginning of confusion.
> Knowledge of the future is only a flowery trapping
> of the Tao. It is the beginning of folly."

      Are you reading this as a peeling of a banana? 
I am.  Therefore, when Tao is lost (peeled back and
discarded), then we will find goodness, but when
goodness is lost (peeled back and discarded), then
there is kindness, etc...  All the way to when justice
is peeled away and discarded we then find faith and
loyalty.  Lao Tzu then states that that is the
beginning of confusion.  By Knowledge of the future
trapping Tao, beginning of folly, I understand this as
conceptualizing Tao to be a dead end or beginning of
folly.  Thus, for us to know Tao in all of its'
transformative, changing ways, thinking we know how
the wind will blow in the coming moments is probable,
but not actually knowable until the wind does blow. 
Do you think that's correct?

     [Case continues]
> This suggests to me that if a society has to pass
> laws or use force to
> compel compliance then the battle for morality is
> already lost.

     This is how I view the girls I work with.  They
come to placement and we have to change their
behavior.  We use simple reward-consequence
conditioning, aside from some other methods (example: 
Time Out which uses this conditioning, but also
provides a moment of reflection).  These residents are
already in placement.  Society has institutionalized
programs to change negative behaviors.  Society
therefore knows and understands a need exists for
careers and placement institutions to be set-up ahead
of time, for the girls will be coming.  Trouble exists
in society.  The immoral behavior of spitting,
hitting, holding hostage via demands or else, thus,
verbally threatening physical hostile behaviors of
some residents, and others fearing something and
wanting to run away from it (thus run from home or
school [truancy].  These seeds have sprouted, society
knows it, and is trying to plug up the holes, and
concrete institutions arise.  The morality of society
already lost puts me into battle position.  I have to
at times face these residents with no pity, and if
they see terror as I come, then this is only due to
their already existing immoral behavior.  We are
trying to change something the residents have acquired
to be rewarding, useful, and 'the right way' to get
out of life what they deem necessary.  This negative
behavior has been reinforced, and we are trying to
change the direction of the tide.  The upswelling of
something goes astray, and society is not facing down
and ridding the origin of these upswellings.  We're
putting up dams and building bigger Titanics to
overcome these momentous, inertia bound, massive
waves. 


     [Case]
> Morality is not about what we can do or what we have
> a right to do. It is about what we should do.

     When somebody comes at you demanding this or
that, threatening to flip-out if they don't get what
they want, this is an attempt to hold people hostage. 
So when these events happen, of course, we are going
to come back at them with what should be done, which
is an attempt to deter such people from behaving in
these negative manners.  We make an effort to change
their behavior.  When faced first-hand with such
misbehavior, we try to change them or else the monster
gets bigger in demeanor.  I think they should not
behave this way, and try to change their negative
behavior; or else time at work becomes worse and worse
emotionally.  It is an effort to rid the fear that
some residents spread in order to get their ways. 
Thus, this fear has become a useful tool and has
compelled these residents to use it.
     Why do they believe this is the only way to get
what they want, the use of fear and the overcoming
power of anger?  What resistances (people or
otherwise) hardened (maybe that's the word) so much so
that the seemingly stronger forces of fear and anger
must be generated to get what they want/need?  Fear
and anger have discarded calm ways, due to the
seemingly instantaneous more powerful forces that fear
and anger are, wouldn't that be so?  This actually
could fit into the instant gratification this culture
encourages.  Marketing and easy access makes so much
available to U.S. citizens.  We can have it all now,
as long as we have the motivation, drive, and yearning
to be successful.  Yet, what of those that miss out on
this 'all of this can be yours' dream of the U.S. 
With time, and as Einstein pointed out, space not on
their side, then fear and anger would powers to get
things now more often and quicker than using kindness,
goodness, and oh, the Tao.  
     To rely upon the mysteries of the Tao is make
things complete, some people don't have that much
patience, especially when the Tao is understood.  For
the Tao explains that a mysterious notion will always
be.  Who wants to wait around that long to have all
the answers?  That would generate frustration for
those that want it all now.  Fear and anger would be
ways to just reach out and grab it all now, but by
doing so those fueled by frustration and promoting
fear and anger to get what they want destroy the very
'things' they try to make contact with, whatever that
might be.  Seemingly they are seeking satisfaction,
but inertial frustration, not rid of, does not provide
satisfaction.  Fear and anger are not only loud, but
are disruptive.  Those that are resiliently strong
with clarity might see through disruptions.  By even
Yoda said once, the dark side is strong, and deception
had already clouded the Force.  The Republic was in
danger.  So, Jedi's had to go out and find out first
hand what was going on behind the dark cloud of
deception.  Yoda knew the dark side put up a veil of
deception, but he couldn't see what events were
occurring beyond this dark veil.  The power of the
dark side was strong.  Some first-hand investigation,
hands in the dirt one might say, would only bring to
light what deception was hiding.  Sorry for the Star
Wars tangent, but does my overall point make sense?

Thanks,
SA


 
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