[MD] conspiracy theories

[gav]

hey ian,

--- ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gav, somewhere at the start of this thread you said
> 
> "So let us just say that sometimes the official
> truth is a lie."
> 
> I say the "official truth" is always a lie, as in,
> not the truth.
> The conspiracy though is not (often) in official
> premeditated plots,
> but in the conspiracy of the western psyche to
> misunderstand what
> reality is and to set misguided social demands on
> how that "simple
> SOMist truth" must be communicated and rationalised.

i think i see what you are saying. 

the point i was trying to make is that we don't need
official premeditation. we don't need evil masterminds
or cabals to explain the state's actions against its
own people. all we need is to understand the giant -
its nature and methods. we then shift the
responsibility for all these atrocities to an element
of all our selves - the social level - that when left
unchecked by intellect, develops pathologically. we
are all to blame for war, terror, murder, etc if we
let the giant run our lives: if we feed him rather
than let him feed us.

cheers
gav

> 
> BTW, love that essential reading list.
> Ian
> 
> On 10/25/06, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
> > [dmb]
> > Martha Nussbaum, also of the University of
> Chicago, says that the
> > willingness to question the values and beliefs of
> one's own culture to is
> > the very definition of philosophy. Its a
> principle, she says, that should
> > guide all Universities. In terms of the MOQ, this
> is the expressed in terms
> > of putting intellectual values over social values
> and it is considered
> > immoral to assert social level values over
> intellectual values. That's why
> > we find it so easy to dislike the fascists among
> us.
> >
> > [Arlo]
> > And speaking of great literature, another
> Minnesotan great, Sinclair Lewis
> > (who said "when fascism comes to America it will
> be wrapped in the flag and
> > carrying a cross") wrote "It Can't Happen Here".
> Wikipedia describes it as
> > such.
> >
> > "It Can't Happen Here is a satirical political
> novel by Sinclair Lewis
> > published in 1935. It features newspaperman
> Doremus Jessup struggling
> > against the fascist regime of President Berzelius
> "Buzz" Windrip, who was
> > modeled either on the flamboyantly dictatorial
> Huey Long of Louisiana, or
> > on Gerald B. Winrod, the Kansas evangelist whose
> far-right views earned him
> > the nickname "The Jayhawk Nazi". It serves as a
> warning that political
> > movements akin to Nazism can come to power in
> countries such as the United
> > States when people blindly support their leaders."
> (Wikipedia)
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