[MD] Intellect battles the [immigrant] barbarians

[Platt Holden]

Hi Ham,

You wrote:
> What we face today is a clash of moral and religious values that exists as
> much within our borders as outside.  Every U.S. president and senator
> swears to "...support and defend the Constitution of the United States
> against all enemies, foreign and domestic" before taking office.  The first
> constitutional obligation is to secure the defense of the nation, and as I
> see it, we have been derelict in enforcing the immigration laws needed to
> achieve domestic tranquility.  We have allowed our homeland to be occupied
> by aliens, many of them illegal, who demand the benefits of citizenship
> with no respect for our cultural heritage, our national language, or the
> civil responsibilities incumbent upon individuals in a free and open
> society. History shows us that when a nation is unwilling or unable to
> secure its borders, it's heading for a fall.

Right on!


> > Secondly,
> > [Ham, responding to Khaled]:
> > Since concealing the body is not a religious requirement but,
> > as you say, a "backlash of the 20th Century", it can only be
> > a statement by the Islamic people that they do not wish to
> > identity with the modern world or be a part of its culture.
> > I consider this an act of defiance and disrespect to the culture
> > that has accepted them.

Exactly, plus defiance and disrespect of intellectual values that the 
civilized world has fought to protect and preserve since the 
Enlightenment. 

> [Rebecca]:
> > If Americans believe in a free and open society then why
> > would they care that some women wear head scarves.
> > Your vaunted Bill of Rights guarantees freedom from
> > religious persecution.  Last time I checked that included
> > Muslims (although, someone might want to double check
> > that one, it may have been updated under the current
> > administration).
> 
> Rebecca, I do not "vaunt" the Bill of Rights; in fact, I think FDR's
> attempt to "amend" the Constitution by adding four additional "Freedoms"
> was uncalled for and ill-conceived.  Freedom to speak your mind or worship
> as you please is implicit in the Constitution; it doesn't deprive others of
> their right to do the same.  But Freedom from want and from fear are
> egalitarian concepts; they could be construed to mean that government must
> provide a house to those who can't afford one, or force you to build or pay
> for theirs.  That's socialism, not freedom of opportunity.  "Freedom from
> want" implies eternal satisfaction with all desires met -- a utopian dream.

Yes! FDR's "freedoms" were socialist from the get go. We are reaping the
whirlwind of the FDR presidency, and going broke to boot.  

> > Frankly, we can't live with closed-minded thinking anymore.
> > There are too many diverse people living under the same tent for it.
> 
> What does "anymore" imply?  That we no longer need to respect our national
> sovereignty?  That "too many diverse people" are living here, which means
> America must now be a multicultural mishmash of what it one was?  And, how
> did all these unwanted people get to live under our tent?  It would appear
> that you, too, are hooked on the proposition that "times have changed, and
> we have to adjust accordingly."  I don't buy that nonsense.  Time is a
> constant.  Only values change, and man is the caretaker of his values.

Agree.

> > If we want to see Western culture survive it has to become more
> > adaptable and accepting of outside influences.  Forcing people to
> > do things your way will only bring resentment; we should try to
> > live up to the high ideals that we claim to espouse - live and lead
> > by example.
> 
> If there's any "force" being exerted here, it's the pressure and
> intimidation of those who want what America offers without being willing to
> assimilate and adapt as Americans.  If we sit back and allow our nation to
> be taken over by foreigners with their own political agenda, tribal
> customs, and language, what hope is there for the future of our culture?

Well said!

Best regards,
Platt