[MD] Chaos Crystallised.

[ian glendinning]

I'm looking forward to this Mark.

Cosmogony sounds a bit strong, but that would be a debate about
existence itself. Not something a pragmatist might worry about ;-) ...
Thoughts ?

I like ... Chaos as ...
"Unstructured relationships between sq simples."

ie it's not the absence of relationships (or even simples), just the
absence of coherence. Promising. Unstructured as in "incoherent".
Sounds good to me.

Also quoting Bob in Lila ... (twice) ...
"DQ is not structured and yet it is not chaotic."

I have that highlighted and underlined in my copy. I'd forgotten.

In Q2.A.a ...
"sq simples are capable of becoming coherent. Coherence is a state
between sq simples which is excellent and opaque to DQ."

You'll have to explain "opaque" here. ? Otherwise I think I'm with you.

In Q2.A.b.
"The opposite of Chaos is stasis."
Two extremes, but DQ is neither ... it is some sweet spot of coherence
in between. Dare I say, an (all too oft) excluded middle. (It's the
emergence, not so much the emergent)

In Q3. A - generally.
Not sure you need the "exegesis" of Bob's words to prove anything. He
was endeavourinf to find the metaphors and meaning just like you are.
We'll know if it's good.

In Q4.C "Many ..."
I guess I was one, but could see it was an imperfect analogy, even if
I wasn't sure why. Hence D.

I think you may be right. The "simple harmonic" (fundamental) is
almost as boring as the static. Who ever enjoyed a symphony of pure
tones ? There is something about the coherence of more complex simples
that produces something "more interesting" than the sum of its parts.

It's actually not quite what I mean't when I mentioned "meta-stable"
points, but it fits chaos theories, where the cusps suggest otherwise
unseen "attractors" - emergent features (coherence, sweet spots that
are not simple - boring - static equilibria). I was originally
thinking of the post-equilibrium "potential" for the dynamic, but I
think your relationship is the better metaphor.

The emergent feature may just be another (higher level) static pattern
(possible, if it latches), but the DQ (coherence) is a feature that
kinda "causes" the emergence - the structured interaction of the
chaotic, rather than simply the dynamic of the chaos itself or the
static result. Repeat "Dynamic Quality is not structured and yet it is
not chaotic." ... Yes it's the "event", the mechanism that joins the
one to the other.

Q4.A.F ... Cosmogeny ? is still a leap too far in your logic for me,
but I like the metaphor better than ever. (Unless of course you are
simply saying .... "In the beginning there was chaos" ? and everything
else coalesced out of that ? Pragmatically, that's good enough for me.

Generally - "Chaos Crystallized" ? Snappy and alliterate, but ... I
know Bob used the seed crystal metaphor too. The only problem with
your phrase is that it sounds too "reified". The real point is the act
of crystalization - the effect, the seeding, the activity, not the
(seemingly) static result. Perhaps the "Crystallization of Chaos" -
the "active" noun, so as to avoid the past tense.

Good work, IMHO.
Regards
Ian