[MD] Crystallising Chaos.

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Hi Mark,

I am trying to apply your ideas to my own personal  psychological 
experience.  I see your ideas as spiraling rather than  
hierarchical.  I like that.
 
Mark: Hello Marsha.
Spot on - it's not a hierarchy.
 
Marsha: What has come to my mind is the 
experience of boredom  (stasis).  I have stated throughout my life is 
that 'boredom is my  greatest enemy'.   Why?  Because during periods 
of intense  boredom I am most likely to create chaos, and chaos can be 
dangerous.   Of course chaos can also open one up to DQ and inspire growth.
 
Mark: This is it.
DQ will either get you from the inside or from the outside, and it can make  
or break you.
The Orpheus myth dmb talked about has this as its central truth, but dmb  
missed it.
This is also what Robert Pirsig identified with at the 2005 Liverpool  
conference.

Marsha: The way I am understanding your Crystallising Chaos  from a 
psychological point-of-view is:  Coherence > Stasis >  (Chaos > DQ) > 
Restructuring, repeat.

???

Marsha
 
 
 
Mark: I view Chaos and stasis as states far away from each other from  a sq 
point of view.
 
First off, we have to establish a diagrammatic convention. The convention  is 
an arrow of evolution, and i think it's best to follow our left to right  
reading convention. (I see you have done this yourself?) The arrow of evolution  
-------->
 
So, this gives us:
Stasis > Chaos -------->
Stasis is being left behind and the future can be chaotic.
 
(From a Cosmoginical point of view Chaos may have been an initial  state?
I explored this in the first post.
But once the evolutionary cycle gets going, static patterns are generated  
and left behind.
The teleological state of evolution is not chaos either - it is DQ.
Cosmogonical route as stated in terms of sq: (begining) Chaos >  sq > 
Coherence > DQ (end)
 
Now, in between these points is the, 'Sweet spot' or coherence as i like to  
call it.
So, this gives us:
Stasis > Coherence > Chaos -------->
It is Coherence which has Dynamic Quality at its centre.
 
Ian made me consider two types of coherence: one is equilibrium, and the  
other is Far from equilibrium - edge of chaos stuff.
So, this gives us the cycle:
Stasis > Equilibrium > Coherence > Chaos -------->  Stasis  > Equilibrium > 
Coherence > Chaos -------->
New patterns wobble back and forth between equilibrium and chaos; one  moment 
teetering on chaos, the next settling into equilibrium. But things happen  at 
the point of Coherence.
THIS is the restructuring you have identified Marsha methinks.
 
Your enemy is on the equilibrium side of Coherence i think.
If you spend too much time here you're in danger of slipping into stasis  and 
uncreativity.
For an artist like yourself, this must feel like dying?
In an effort to escape death, you may leap too far forward and dive  straight 
into chaos/DQ?
Chaos may feel like life, but it's at a cost; there is no structure and  
energy is dissipated in a useless accelerated drain.
Coherence is a fine, sublime moment we all aim at as DQ draws evolution  
ahead.
I wonder what Greek myth reflects that?
 
Love,
Mark