[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[David M]

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David M
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david buchanan" <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion (SQ) as 
Power


> Ian said to dmb:
> The excluded middle is not some comprimised average of two extreme views,
> it's a whole set of different (higher quality) opportunities - excluded 
> by,
> drowned out by the "noise" of, concentrating on the extremes.
>
> dmb replies:
> You'd have to be much more specific to convince me that you're offering
> anything other than mamby pamby equivocations. I don't recall reading
> anything from you about these higher quality opportunites, for example.
> Please explain. And you seem to be suggesting that I'm all freaked out 
> about
> some tiny fringe group of extremists. But as I keep trying to tell you, 
> 85%
> of Americans call themselves Christian and the party of the religious 
> right
> is in control of all three branches of government. And there is also the
> problem of trying to fit theism into the MOQ.
>
> Ian also said:
> On your "theist" question, since you ask. I'm atheist as you know, but how
> about versions of theism which acknowledge the mystical metaphorical value
> of the idea of "god", but don't prescribe its literal authority outside 
> the
> spiritual realm.
>
> dmb replies:
> Firstly, I'm not asking for a hypothetical version of acceptable theism. 
> I'm
> asking you to identify and describe one that actually exists. Secondly, if
> it acknowledge that "God" is a mystical metaphor rather than an actual 
> god,
> then it would be inaccurate to describe it as theism. Theism, by 
> definition,
> is the belief in a supernatural being. If that belief is absent, then its
> not theism and I have nothing to criticize. As I understand these key 
> terms,
> your suggestion makes no sense and refers to nothing that exists in the 
> real
> world. Please explain.
>
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