[MD] Crystallising Chaos.

[Case]

Mark: Maths is pure abstraction and aesthetic.
The examples you provide have nothing to do with this.
The examples you provide here seem 100% social, 'My willy is bigger than  
your willy' stuff.

[Case]
So $49m for Irises reflects a bit of social valuation of Van Gogh's artistic
vision. Having a bigger Willy may also reflect personal values don't you
think? But even to say I love my wife asserts a positive value as opposed to
I hate my mother-in-law which would be a negative valuation. Or you can get
all algebraic with:

"Honey this spaghetti is good."
VS
"Mom your spaghetti is the best!"

M = W + X

Where
M = Mom's cooking
W = Wife's cooking
X = Some esthetic constant

It just gets more complicated socially.


Mark: Pyramids and whirlpools are structures. Chaos isn't. Or is  it?

[Case]
Ok a mountain, a stream, a galaxy... All evolving structures born of chaos
and dissolving back into it.

Mark: I thought we, actually you, had drawn a distinction bewteen GOFC of  
the, 'first there was GOFC and then...' and chaos/butterflys/strange  
atractors..ect?

[Case]
Not sure who said what. Pirsig makes no mention of modern chaos. He mostly
seems to talk about the primordial chaos of mythology or uses the term in
the sense of disorder. I think he misses the boat on this score. 

[Case}
Very  nicely said. This is in the spirit of Pirsig's observations on the
carbon  atom that you mentioned early on. But what do you call it when the
dice fall  the other way and Godzilla stomps on Bambi.
 
Mark: The waste product of evolution.

[Case]
I laughed at that one.