[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

Heather Perella spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 20 19:02:05 PDT 2006


Hello Ian, Platt, and Arlo,


     [Ian] 
Platt, answer Arlo's actual question, not the one
you'd rather he'd asked, let me re-phrase it ... You
(Platt US citizen) are at Abu Graib fighting for that
democratic freedom you (we) hold so dear. Is there any
order from your US (Land of the free) commanding
officer you would not obey ? Simple closed question.


     [Platt] 
Et tu, Ian? You don't consider the US the land of the
free? Seems you too may have difficulty making a moral
distinction between totalitarian and democratic
governments that guarantee individual rights and free
markets.


    Then SA says:
     Platt, you can't make the moral decision
according to Pirsig, which states the intellectual
level is the highest static quality.  To be able to
hold a dialogue between other people takes
intellectual ability.  By reading what they [Ian and
Arlo] say and ask in a conversation, is to
intellectually have the ability to know what they are
clearly saying.  Yet, you are holding a conversation
by yourself.  It's as if what Ian and Arlo are saying
and asking does not exist.  You are ignoring their
statements and questions, but this is all probably due
to your thinking that the intellectual level is purely
an individual level, so, when you are providing
thought to a dialogue you have cultivated an
intellectual habit of talking to yourself.  That's
what it seems.  
     By the way, dynamic quality has no definition, no
boundaries, no concept.  Dq is at the edge of
experience before and after static patterns are
cultivated.  I would say noticing Dq is to think
outside of the box, thus, ones first inclination is
conscious decision making.  This makes a solider good,
especially when war situations call for immediate
flexibility and nimble transfer into behavior.  A
solider that can't think for him/her self is a robot
that will constantly wait for orders in all changing
events and in such an environment as war where chaos
reins, to wait for orders in every new situation -
will kill you.  Hence the intellectual ability to move
with changing, chaotic events, thus, in Pirsigian
terms to have intellectual level above the chaotic
level, not allowing chaos to confuse the solider.  The
solider that notices the good, will be tough minded,
intellectually nimble and help convey to everybody the
way through a battle.  In battle, the way through
would be dynamic quality, as the experienced battle
must climb beyond the chaotic level to where the
battle (chaos) will not be all that remains and
biological, social, and intellectual levels will be
able stay in pattern.  The solider will maintain
static patterns throughout the battle, thus,
preserving life, and the only way through such cutting
edge events is to notice dynamic quality glittering
outside the box of the immediate experienced battle. 
These are the leaders in any walk of life.  Leaders
are those that have the good to contribute to
everybody.  The good solider has something good to
contribute for the side the solider fights for.  This
is the solider that not only follows orders, but can
clearly think for him/her self and thus be a leader
during those trying times when waiting for orders will
only end in the killing of the soldiers.  These
soldiers, I would assume, are the soldiers that move
up the ranks, become leaders that others depend upon
for those strategies and creative ways through battles
delivering the good when the dust settles.


SA

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