[MD] Flying Spaghetti Monsters

[Micah]

Craig,

It does not follow that non citizens are guaranteed the protection of the
constitution. Once non-citizens are given the protection, although
negatively through prosecution of war (a constitutional power enjoyed
currently by Iraq and Afghanistan), of the constitution, they have the moral
and logical right to all the benefits of the constitution - not just the
negative effects forced upon them. I am not confused.

Your passport analogy does not fit. That is a voluntary issue of
non-citizens, war prosecuted in another country is not.

Micah


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[Micah]
> My question is; if the constitution gives rise to the military and the
> military captures and holds prisoners, how can we morally deny
> constitutional rights to prisoners on the basis that they are not
citizens?
> Have we not used the constitution on their behalf, although negatively? Is
> it now moral to deny them to positive use of the constitution?

Micah,
Your argument begs the question.  Just because the Constitution establishes
a military & establishes certain rights of citizens vis a vis the military,
it does not follow that applying those same rights to non-citizens is
morally required .  The State Dept. is provided for in the Constitution too,
but we don't issue passports to non-citizens.
Craig

The U. S. Constitution states the power the government has over its citizens
& the rights they have over it.  The Constitution does allow for
international treaties (such as the Geneva Convention & Nuremberg
Principles)
You are confusing moral rights with constitutional rights.  We have
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