[MD] Flying Spaghetti Monsters

[Micah]

Pholden,

I assumed you would peg me as a liberal or some such label, isn't that the
current government tactic of suppression? Well played.

Actually I don't vote, or participate in politics - but if I did the party
that comes the closest to my views is Libertarian, so you are wrong again.

Don't you want me to define racist for you too?

Isn't each year's World Series a one shot series?

Define "obvious" for me.

Micah



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Quoting Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com>:

> Pholden,
>
> Fascism:
> A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a
> dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition
> through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent
> nationalism and racism.
>
>
> The USA has stringent socioeconomic controls,

Like what?

> is clearly nationalist

Define nationalist.

>and
> racist,

What evidence?

> suppresses opposition by labeling dissenters as terrorist or
> unpatriotic (nationalism again)

Examples?

> while manipulating the media;

How so?

> and W has and
> is continuing to consolidate power in his presidency (dictatorship).

What evidence?

> While
> we are not completely or strongly fascist, we are clearly a fascist state.
> The question isn't - are we a fascist state?, but how did we let this
happen
> and can we reverse it. I guess the first step is to recognize fascism and
to
> stop defending a fascist government by saying - "define fascism".

A diatribe of unsupported accusations. Can't you do better?

> By the way, the USA did not win the Baseball World Championship (again) -
it
> was shown on ESPN until the USA was knocked out and yes MLB players were
> involved.

Try an entire season from April to October, not a one shot series.

> Defending freedom implies attack, and the USA has suffered only one
> meaningful attack, 9-11-01 (and more Americans die in auto accidents in
one
> month).

Are you kidding? Pearl Harbor was not an attack? You don't believe in mutual
defense agreements where we come to the defense of our allies like in WW II,
Korea, and Vietnam? You don't consider the bombing of our warship an attack?

> We don't defend, we attack. And speaking of attack, your freedom is
> under attack by your own government. Clinton used "Child pornography" and
> "drugs" to attack freedom (1995 Telephony Act) and Bush uses "terrorism"
> (torture, secret courts, etc.). And attacking others is nothing to be
proud
> of.

My freedom under attack? Where do you pick up this stuff?

> That mad rush of people immigrating to the U.S. you always hear about...I
> believe that is called propaganda. The number of people that don't
immigrate
> here or those that don't even consider it, puts the immigration trickle
into
> perspective.

So 20 million illegals is a "trickle?"

Where do you get your information, from moveon.org? Noam Chomsky?













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