[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[David M]

> Ian said to David M:
> OK, so the point at which natural science breaks down is in the existence 
> of
> anything at all ... as a given, a gift from God. That's the "hole" in any
> metaphysics that cannot be viewed from the other
> side, no one (with any sense) can presume to make strong argument for or
> against anything in that hole. A theistic metaphor is as good as any, in
> that context, even a sentient, intentional being. ...Other holes are 
> merely
> circumstantial and any god vs science debate in these cases is 
> meaningless.
>


Hi  Ian

Yep, I agree with George Steiner when he describes theology, at its best,
as poetry on the subject of god. I started life as a lefty materialist 
atheist.
So I studied science and saw the limitations of its scope, discovered
philosophy as the only really interesting subject (OK I do history and
politics and art on the side) and discovered that it has limited scope 
issues too,
so the materialism got dropped, and so did the atheism because it really
has no basis, and you get to see that there are experiences and possibilties
to ponder on the other side of mere disciplines, and the best appears
at certain extremes of religious & philosophical speculation and also
art and poetry (maybe also some rather speculative science, about creation
rather than mere repetition).

David M