[MD] Natural or supernatural?

[David M]

Hi DMB

The point is to explore the meaning of the concepts
of determinism and freedom, these concepts are
rich not thin. But you seem to wish to avoid this.
It seems to me that the concept from 'freedom' is
inseparable from 'possibility' and this latter concept
is inseparable from the one that the realm of the actual
is separate from that of the possible, and that the latter
concept is one that is richly explored in religious thought.

Seems to me you rightly avoid unpacking your thin and
empty notions here because it would make you defenceless
against that which you fear. That the MOQ cannot sustain
a repression an outlawing of religious thought.

Am I wrong?

David M





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david buchanan" <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Natural or supernatural?


> David M said:
> All existence is about choice, perhaps not always conscious choice, but
> choice, choices between what is possible, which means we go along one path
> and abandon all others. Have you never abandoned any possibilities in your
> life Mr DMB? ...If there is no choice then there is only mechanism. Any 
> use?
> Or are you still just a mechanist? Best wishes, of course, you may choose 
> to
> disagree or find this trivial.
>
> dmb says:
> Sorry, but I just don't understand what you're saying. Its not that I'm a
> mechanist or deny that life is full of choices and possibilities, I just
> don't see what the point is in asserting it. I can't even agree or 
> disagree
> with what you're saying because, beyond the vague platitudes, you don't 
> seem
> to be saying anything at all. Yea, we make choices. We do some things and 
> we
> don't do others. I ask you in all seriousness, sir, so what? Doesn't the 
> MOQ
> address freedom and determinism in a completely different way, if that's
> what you're getting at? In that case, most of our choices are NOT really
> free but rather are a matter of selecting one static option over another,
> while real freedom entails following DQ.
>
> And I still don't see why "the possible" should be construed as something
> supernatural or how it can be equated with DQ.
>
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