[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[Laycock, Jos (OSPT)]

Hello Micah

Not funny
I'm well aware that cats smiling has nothing to their being happy. 
The fact that there is a convenient word describing misapplication of human
traits to suprficially simalar looking animal behaviours does not exclude
the possibility that certain behaviours are analogous amongst a range of
species.
It's only anthropomorphising if you start from the premise that certain
characteristics are exclusively human. If the initial premis is that there
are a range of possible characterists and a range of possible levels of
consciousness, I see no problem applying them to anything which expresses
them
What do you mean by the word "think"? specify please.
  

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Micah
> Sent: 28 September 2006 22:22
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters
> 
> 
> Jos,
> 
> Animals think? Have you been talking to animals, Dr. Dolittle? Animals
> cooperate? Do they have logos and team colors too?
> 
> You are anthropomorphizing.
> 
> Micah
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Laycock, 
> Jos (OSPT)
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:37 AM
> To: 'moq_discuss at moqtalk.org'
> Subject: Re: [MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters
> 
> 
> Further discussion it is then:
> 
> On psychaitric illness, I recall that Pirsig is at some pains 
> to describe it
> as a cultural/intellectual phenomenon, yes this may be underpinned by
> certain inorgainc and biological patterns but as stated 
> previously this is
> the same with all patterns that are written on top of lower ones. The
> thought is still a thought even if it is an abberent one. A "correct"
> thought also stems from a biological/chemical process.
> 
> "People are
> > harder to define, being at times biological, at other times
> > social, and
> > occasionally intellectual."
> IMHO a person is all things all at once, our actions though 
> can be placed
> within particular levels.
> 
> The chemical burn examople can be changed as I see any 
> reference to eating
> makes it a biological issue in your eyes, how about sunburn:
> I can choose to stay in UV light for nine hours, it causes 
> inorganic damage
> to the cells in my skin, its a bad decision and one that runs 
> against the
> life favouring morality that exists in the inorganic level.
> Humans aren't unique in making choices that override 
> biological urges, what
> evidence is there for this assertion? Animals also choose to 
> avoid self
> endangering activities, they also choose to act 
> co-operatively. In a further
> blurring of the distinction, many humans are entirely unable to resist
> biological urges and excercise no choice whatsoever, hence the chronic
> obesity problems that sweep the world today, and all other addictive
> behaviours.
> 
> 
> ----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of 
> pholden at davtv.com
> > Sent: 28 September 2006 14:49
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Laycock, Jos (OSPT)" <Jos.Laycock at OFFSOL.GSI.GOV.UK>:
> >
> > > Hello Platt
> > > These were intended to be examples of moral codes
> > applicable at all the
> > > different static levels, you've chosen to assign them to
> > different levels
> > > which misses the point, my fault for being vague:
> > >
> > > Any event at any level of course permeates all those
> > beneath, entities can
> > > though be defined by the highest level at whih they are
> > manifest. Do you
> > > agree?
> >
> > To some extent. Entities such as atoms and antelopes can be
> > easily pegged as
> > belonging to the inorganic and biological levels
> > respectively. People are
> > harder to define, being at times biological, at other times
> > social, and
> > occasionally intellectual.
> >
> > > Drinking bleach can be seen as a metophor for making a bad
> > decision that
> > > breaks a moral code of the inorganic values system. Please
> > feel free to pick
> > > a different one that we can agree on.
> > > Point is, that breaking it is a free choice that is
> > available, and you will
> > > be punished for it by the destructive oxidation of a range
> > of the mollecules
> > > that make up your inorganic pattern.
> >
> > I consider drinking, eating, sleeping, fighting, f---ing and
> > the like to be
> > biological level behaviors. Humans are unique in having some
> > control over
> > these values.
> >
> > > Sleeping with your sister breaks a biological moral code
> > and you will be
> > > punished by your progeny having limited diversity and
> > becoming prone to
> > > genetic disease.
> >
> > I also consider inbreeding biological level behavior.
> >
> > > Passing a red light breaks a cultural moral and the
> > punishment is likely to
> > > be a fine.
> >
> > Yes. A social value.
> >
> > > Beoming irrational and denying the facts or logic that you
> > are not napoleon
> > > breaks an intellectual moral code and you will be punished
> > for it with
> > > "correction" likely applied by the intellect of a psychiatrist.
> >
> > I think it's been fairly well established that most mental
> > illnesses have as
> > their root cause a chemical imbalance in the brain. At least
> > a great many
> > of such illnesses are relieved by drugs. Talking things out
> > with a psychiatrist
> > may prove helpful, but as you know Pirsig is no great fan of
> > psychiatric "correction."
> >
> > I hope this is responsive to your points. I get the feeling
> > that you and I
> > may disagree on our understanding of Pirsig's levels. Perhaps
> > further discussion
> > will be helpful.
> >
> > Platt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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