[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[ian glendinning]

Hi SA,

This is gonna sound arrogant, but I'm not surprised to find our views
agree on the meaning of political ... that was never in doubt ... but
thanks anyway. Discussion like yours is alway better than any kind of
"definition".

My sordid purpose in bothering to argue with Platt is simply to point
out how morally bereft he is when it comes to any form of
argumentation. Sorry.

Ian

On 9/28/06, Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ian and Platt,
>
>
> > > Platt said....
> > > "Political" indicates some government body would
> > decide ...
> > >
> > > Er, no Platt, political means as a matter of
> > policy (contingent
> > > pragmatism as opposed to dogma or authority). Your
> > definition is one
> > > of paranoia. Doh.
> >
> > Er, no Ian. Political means  "a : of or relating to
> > government, a government,
> > or the conduct of government" according to
> > Merriam-Webster. To borrow a word
> > you use to label your fellow contributors, your
> > definition is "ignorant."
>
>     Platt and Ian, I don't know how far you two have
> come to defining political, but I finally had the time
> to read this post.  I think that political is close to
> Ian's definition since government implies a chiefdom
> or more complex society.  Yet, politics, as to not
> shut-out chiefdoms and more complex societies,
> definitely involves governments, too.  Politics can
> also happen with any band of people whether it is the
> San in Africa or teenage friends in any U.S. town.
> Politics is when any society (two or more people) try
> to organize a collective effort.  Politics is
> organization trying to apply something for their
> effort, thus a policy.  This is why some
> anthropologists have come to think that religion was a
> base for organization that involves power for human
> beings which with power being a gain or downfall
> depending on who brings the best organizational effort
> for a more splendid society.  Pharaoh, Mesopotamian
> priest/priestess kings and queens, the incarnations of
> the G-d(s) as emperors in China, Japan, Aztec, Mayan,
> Inca, and the Pope, though not an incarnation of G-d
> his religious authority has provided a way for other
> people to focus, thus become organized, and propel
> societies to power, etc...  As we all know, religion
> plays a huge part in politics to this day.
> Government, Platt, as I often hear on the Moq.org, has
> some baggage that may tend to leave out the gangs in
> the streets that display power, as Al-Saddir
> (mispelling?) has in Iraq, were once the U.S. and Iraq
> forces were at battle with him, now the U.S., Iraq
> forces, and Al-Saddir have come to a less violent
> means of displaying power.  Al-Saddir has a lot of
> political authority even though he is not part of the
> Iraq government due to his big following, thus, the
> organized society that surrounds him.
>
> SA
>
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