[MD] DQ Reduex

David M davidint at blueyonder.co.uk
Sat Sep 30 12:51:48 PDT 2006 

Case

This issue is dealt with very well
by John Dupre in his Order of Things, take a look.
We make cuts, most are human creations for human purposes,
maybe some are at the joints as Hume says.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Case" <Case at iSpots.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] DQ Reduex


> David,
>
> The whole idea of levels makes my palms sweat. While they are frequently
> useful ways to organize thoughts they can also become traps. The problems
> usually arise at the boundaries or surfaces. As in the MoQ where organic
> carbon molecules get lumped into the inorganic rather that biological 
> level,
> or where ants and apes are excluded from the social level.
>
> But come to think of it, this should not be surprising since friction and
> resistance apply to surfaces. Drops of water are help together by surface
> tension, hmmm....
>
> Case
>
> ________________________________________________
>
> Case
>
> It is a worthy wonder. But there are clearly levels,
> you have to have electrons, protons, neutrons,
> to get to atoms, molecules, proteins, cells, plants,
> animals, etc to get to human culture. There is
> just enough patterns & repeats to do some layering
> and increased complexity, but its at the margins and
> on the fringe of the bubbling chaos and change.
> But the mountain peak requires the masses below
> and we should acknowledge our dependence.
>
> David M
>
> -----------------------------------------
>> [David]
>>
>> Eternal stasis seems to be what some people, in fear,
>> are seeking. The trick, of course, is to embrace the
>> flow and its riches. Nice quotes. Glad to float up
>> stream with you.Of course, the latching is still important.
>>
>> [Case]
>> I am starting to wonder about that term latch. "If" what we are flowing 
>> in
>> is fluid perhaps it is better to think of stasis as resistance almost in
>> an
>> electrical sense. Friction.
>>
>> I
>>  am
>>     wearing
>>             down
>>                  until
>>                        I
>>                           become
>>                                  Static.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Case" <Case at iSpots.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] DQ Reduex
>>
>>
>>> Case
>>>
>>> Your are on the right track here.
>>> It is all just a great fire work, but
>>> with at least four levels, complex,
>>> beautiful, from nothing and returning
>>> to nothing. So it is, & no less significant
>>> for all that, perhaps more precious
>>> than eternal stasis.
>>>
>>> David M
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Stasis? What stasis?
>>> Nothing is standing still.
>>> The world shakes itself into
>>> <---THIS--->
>>>
>>> Reality provides the picnic basket
>>> but "We" make into a party.
>>> It's either us or the ants?
>>> What the heck...
>>> We'll leave the some scraps.
>>> Spread the love.
>>>
>>> For of all sad words of tongue or pen,
>>> the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
>>> - John Greenleaf Whittier
>>>
>>> For of all glad words of tongue or pen,
>>> the gladdest are these: 'Let's do it again!'
>>> - Case
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Case" <Case at iSpots.com>
>>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:13 AM
>>> Subject: [MD] DQ Reduex
>>>
>>>
>>>> [Platt]
>>>> What you have described is static quality -- predictable reaction.
>>>> Dynamic
>>>> Quality isn't shaking, tossing, agitating, churning, jouncing, 
>>>> stirring,
>>>> waggling or just any old physical energy. DQ is moral force.
>>>>
>>>> [Case]
>>>> Dynamic means Dynamic. Change in the environment is dynamic. The 
>>>> Taoists
>>>> claimed that change is the only constant in nature. The Dynamic Quality
>>>> that
>>>> drives biological systems on this planet is sunlight. But moral or not
>>>> Dynamic Quality is not always good.
>>>>
>>>> Pirsig is, of course, the source of this misunderstanding and he 
>>>> reveals
>>>> the
>>>> nature of his own misunderstanding early on with this:
>>>>
>>>> "But as David Mandelbaum noted in his book The Plains Cree, 'The term
>>>> manito
>>>> primarily referred to the Supreme Being but also had many other usages.
>>>> It
>>>> was applied to manifestations of skill, fortune, blessing, luck, to any
>>>> wondrous occurrence. It connoted any phenomenon that transcended the 
>>>> run
>>>> of
>>>> everyday experience.'
>>>> In other words, 'Dynamic Quality.'"
>>>>
>>>> Once again: if you define better as better it just gets better and
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> This is a little like Christians who deny the existence of luck,
>>>> claiming
>>>> that blessings come from God, curses come from Satan. As I have said
>>>> many
>>>> times uncertainty in so interwoven into the fabric of our thinking that
>>>> we
>>>> have separate static categories for good luck and bad luck. But it is
>>>> all
>>>> change. It is all dynamic. It is all about uncertainty.
>>>>
>>>> [Case]
>>>>> Visit any Spencer's Gift and you can watch many examples of
>>>>> multicolored
>>>>> fluids of various viscosities dripping and flowing in determined but
>>>>> unpredictable ways.  While you are there, take a look at what they can
>>>>> do
>>>>> with a magnet and a 9 volt battery.
>>>>
>>>> [Platt]
>>>> All static patterns. Lack of predictability is not an indication of DQ.
>>>> Whether a fluid pattern goes up or down, or whether an ant turns to the
>>>> left
>>>> or right isn't DQ at work. Such unpredictability is simply our lack of
>>>> knowledge of what it's like to be a fluid or an ant.
>>>>
>>>> [Case]
>>>> But that is just the point: lack of predictability IS Dynamic. The
>>>> behavior
>>>> of those swinging little porpoises and butterfly is completely
>>>> unpredictable. With as few as three variables in a system chaos breaks
>>>> out.
>>>> It can be contained and predicted within a certain distribution of
>>>> probability to it is ever dynamic.
>>>>
>>>> Another point worth noting is that in the case of oil and water all of
>>>> the
>>>> action takes place on the surfaces. With the injection of dynamic
>>>> quality
>>>> the surface area increases as the bubbles break apart and become 
>>>> smaller
>>>> and
>>>> smaller. As the dynamic quality dissipates the surface area gets 
>>>> smaller
>>>> as
>>>> the bubbles combine. Even when the fluids have settled out there is
>>>> dynamic
>>>> activity on the surfaces as the water and oil molecule move against 
>>>> each
>>>> other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Platt]
>>>> If the fluid jumps out of its container and starts dancing the
>>>> hootchy-kootchy, then you might say DQ is involved.
>>>>
>>>> [Case]
>>>> I apologize for reposting this but I think it applies here:
>>>> _______________
>>>> The DQ Fandango
>>>> _______________
>>>> Nature always ambles the path of least resistance
>>>> Life's The Way. We shoot the bird at entropy's persistence
>>>> Photons striking carbon make it want to bump and grind
>>>> Two stepping 'til closing time with every sweet thing it can find
>>>>
>>>> Entropy is patient he doesn't have to worry
>>>> He always wins out in the end so he's never in a hurry
>>>> Each and every species comes with special talents
>>>> Swinging Cha-cha, Tango steps struggling for its balance
>>>>
>>>> Entropy is smiling because he's heard this tune
>>>> Sometimes it seems to last a little long but it always ends too soon
>>>> Ballerinas pirouette, leaping 'cross the stage
>>>> Twirling in their tutus pretending they won't ever age
>>>>
>>>> Molecules dancing
>>>> While entropy's waiting
>>>> We are sunlight
>>>> Dissipating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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