[MD] Where does the MOQ belong?

[skutvik at online.no]

Hello Akshay, welcome to the MD.

On 1 Apr.you wrote:

> I believe a book on philosophy is purely an inorganic pattern of
> static quality. 

Yes, that much we all agree on.

> However, it seems to be at the intellectual level
> because it is stimulating an intellectual pattern. 

Well, the intellectual level and the term "intellect" (as generally 
used) may not align perfectly: The former is the ability to 
distinguish between what's subjective and what's objective (S/O) 
while the latter, to most people, seem to indicate intelligence, and 
it seems plain impossible to bring them out of their "trance"

> The papers are not,
> per se, intellectual patterns -- for a person who didn't know about
> books but did have stable intellectual patterns wouldn't recognize the
> book as intellectual patterns.

An illiterate person may recognize the difference  between 
concepts and what they conceptualize, but to Magnus concepts 
themselves (diagrams, theories, words spoken or printed) is 
"intellect". And my point is that ancient (social age) people did not 
value this distinction. Language was not yet an abstraction, 
different from the concrete world, but a powerful means to invoke 
the forces that ruled existence. The Ancients I speak of were 
from long before written language and as such "illiterate", but the 
point is that they had not stepped into the intellectual - S/O 
distinction - reality.     

> I do however have doubt as to where we can put consciousness or
> awareness. That "feeling" of awareness. I suppose it could be
> classified as intellectual, but aren't there humans who hardly have
> any intellectual patterns, being based predominantly in social
> patterns, but are still conscious? 

You are just right, join the SOL club!

> Probably consciousness means the
> ability to analyse one's condition, which is a characteristic of
> intellectual patterns. But what about "raw" consciousness -- the
> consciousness that tells someone "I am Peter"?

Consciousness is one of SOM's "unassimilated" concepts (all of 
which Value encompasses) it's all or nothing at all. Thus there is 
no consciousness in the MOQ other than "value awareness".  
The detached, analytical attitude is intellect's 
"value/consciousness" while the sense of being a person - with a 
name - is ancient, possibly something that emerged with 
language.  I must think a bit more here.     

> I'm a new member, and a teenager, so I'd request you to forgive my
> ignorance... I'm really enjoying the forums right now. Thanks
> everyone!

A most promising entry.

IMO

Bo