[MD] Contents of Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8

[Horse]

Hi Platt

Your cynicism about 'good folks', their values and the leaders they 
elect would naturally lead to the statement I made about either 
Americans or Brits. But, as I said in another post that I consider most 
people to be basically decent then I wouldn't consider most Americans or 
Brits to be as per the outcome of your statement. I think the leadership 
problem lies in the choices available to the electorate - the most 
prominent politicians (and GWB or Tony Blair in particular) are not fit 
to be elected. Just my opinion but it seems to be shared by an awful lot 
of people.

Also when I refer to 'basically decent' or 'basically good' folks I'm 
not saying that they're saints or angels but that but that they do the 
best that they can in the circumstances in which they find themselves. 
If the circumstances are low quality then this is likely to reflect the 
choices available to them and the likely outcome. But, in my experience, 
people can, and more often than not do, act far better than their 
circumstances would indicate.

I think it's a shame that your view of people would indicate a low 
opinion of basically decent people trying their best to act well, often 
in the face of adversity and it's a huge shame that the leaders that are 
elected appear to be incapable of behaving as well as the majority of 
people that elect them.

Cheers


Horse


pholden at davtv.com wrote:
> Quoting Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net>:
> 
>> Hi Platt
>>
>> So most Americans are incompetent, lying, duplicitous, conniving, 
>> alcoholic, drug-abusing morons as per your wonderful leader? I can't say 
>> that's the impression I've gained from those of your fellow citizens 
>> I've met but as I've never visited your country, and don't intend to, 
>> I'll have to take your word for it.
> 
> Since your Tony Blair was a close friend and supporter of our wonderful leader,
> I guess I'll have to follow your lead in judging you Brits.
> 
> Platt
>  
>> pholden at davtv.com wrote:
>>> Quoting MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Horse,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure a large majority of people in all countries are good folks.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>> Makes you wonder why these "good folks" put up with totalitarian leaders
>>> or elect incompetent ones. Seems to me that a state's leaders reflect the
>>> values of their subjects.
>>>
>>> Platt

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