[MD] Contents of Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8

[MarshaV]

At 05:38 PM 8/6/2007, I wrote:

>Ham,
>
>I wrote I thought the government should subsidize education.  Did I
>write anything that expanded that statement into something
>more?   No!   I think you are arguing about points never made.  I
>have no desire to have a battle over ideologies with you.  It would
>be a waste of my time.
>
>

Hi Ham,

What?  My statement "I have no desire to have a battle over 
ideologies with you." is to general.  Okay.  I should have been more 
specific.  I have no desire to have a battle over socioeconomic 
ideologies with you.  Or to be even more specific, I have no desire 
to have a battle concerning Capitalism versus Socialism with 
you.  But I imagine you understood what I meant.

Marsha








>At 12:53 PM 8/6/2007, you wrote:
>
> >Marsha --
> >
> >
> > > On the one hand you write criticizing the general public, "It isn't
> > > that that our elected bureaucrats are operating in secret, but that
> > > the general public could care less about what's going on in
> > > Washington until election time comes around.  And then they echo the
> > > sound bytes of politicians, typically the negative ones about their
> > > opponents."
> > >
> > > On the other hand you write criticizing those who do care enough to
> > > be upset when leaders abuse power, "My first question would be: Where
> > > on this planet would they find comparable freedom and
> > > opportunity?  Then I would ask: Why don't they move there?"  Love it
> > > or leave it?   Is that what you're suggesting?
> > >
> > > It seems you've put citizens in a lose/lose situations.
> >
> >
> >I admire people who care (about people, things, ideas), and I do think that
> >mainstream Americans are largely ignorant of events and ideologies that are
> >not an immediate part of their everyday lives.  I hear a lot of complaints
> >that seem to mimmick what the politicians are saying but don't have much
> >thought behind them.  For example, the idea that because we are a rich and
> >powerful nation we "ought to provide" free medical care, free college
> >tuition, decent housing, guaranteed job security, etc., for everyone,
> >ignores that fact that Government produces no income except what is
> >extracted from the taxpayers.  None of these objectives is mandated by the
> >U.S. Constitution.  Even federal taxation was added as an amendment (to
> >raise money for the Civil War).
> >
> >Lobbyists, CIA bungling, and K-Street funding are not what is bringing
> >America down.  The problem is the eroding value of individual initiative in
> >our coddled society and its affect on the will of its citizens.  If we lose
> >the will to preserve our culture, control our borders, defend our freedom,
> >live within our means, and strive for excellence, we shall leave a shattered
> >legacy for our children.
> >
> >The politicians will promise anything that will help them get elected.  But
> >if Americans look to Government as their cradle-to-grave provider, what is
> >their incentive to become self-reliant?  The influx of millions of
> >immigrants (legal and illegal) demanding entitlements only adds to the
> >burden of the productive members of our society.  What is THEIR incentive to
> >become self-sufficient?  I see the U.S. drifting rapidly toward the
> >socialism that has weakened the Scandinavian countries, Canada, and much of
> >Europe.  The "power" that has made America great, which you seem to
> >disparage, is the determination and industry of its people.  I do not wish
> >see this land of opportunity reduced to a socialistic state.
> >
> >Them's my thoughts.  I expect you to find something disagreeable about them.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Ham
> >
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