[MD] Alternatives to the scientific method

[David M]

Hi Platt

You certainly seemed to have changed the subject.
What has that got to do with truth?

David M

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Subject: Re: [MD] Alternatives to the scientific method


> Quoting David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
>> Hi Platt
>>
>> I don't expect science to have any say about what values
>> are best. Values differ, we have to learn how we can live together
>> given our different values, this is the stuff of politics rather than
>> science.
>> We need intelligent ways to look at how to assess our different values.
>> Pirsig's levels and notion of quality is one useful way to look at 
>> values.
>> Religion and secularism have their own ways of looking at values
>> and that just arn't going to be ignored or overcome in a hurry.
>> We need to get honest about our disagreements about values and
>> stop pretending they have anything to do with truth and that anyone
>> has any privileged access to some truth-values that are superior.
>> Of course we can claim point to how our values relate to experience
>> and reality but this is never going to make a decisive case.
>> Of course, where we have values of autonomy and equality they are
>> going to conflict with authoritarian and hierarchical values.
>
> Hi David,
>
> Wouldn't you agree that values of individual freedom and equality before
> the law are superior to totalitarian government? I certainly think the 
> superiority
> of the former is decisive enough to risk my life to uphold it, as millions 
> have
> done in the past and continue to do today. Our ability to converse freely 
> on
> this site without fear is a direct result of the superiority of some 
> "truth-
> values" that others have risked everything to defend.
>
> Perhaps I have misunderstood your point.
>
> Regards,
> Platt
>
>
>
>
>
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