[MD] Contents of Moq_Discuss digest...

Fri Aug 3 17:52:02 PDT 2007

To say the minds of the masses are only changed after declaration of war is
a bold but, sadly, partially true statement. Sometimes Ibsen is right: "the
majority is Always wrong"

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>    1. Re: Biological Quality & Social Conservatism (ARLO J BENSINGER JR)
>    2. FYI (MarshaV)
>    3. Re: Biological Quality & Social Conservatism (pholden at davtv.com)
>    4. Re: Biological Quality & Social Conservatism (Heather Perella)
>    5. Re: Biological Quality & Social Conservatism (pholden at davtv.com)
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> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:38:50 -0400
> From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Biological Quality & Social Conservatism
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> [Arlo previously]
> >From whose intellect do we derive the right of "free speech", a right
> that I
> take it you think the majority should not be able to vote away?
>
> [Platt]
> Good question. What's the answer?
>
> [Arlo]
> Well, I suppose the "literal" answer would be, in this case, a "consensus
> of
> learned individuals appealing to philosophy and reason". Perhaps adding
> "with
> the power to enforce their decision on anyone who would dissent" (assuming
> there were colonists who may have not liked the whole "free speech"
> thing).
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> Much as it is beleagured, I think representational government, with a
> guarded
> divisions of power, with the capability to determine when something
> transcends
> "majority vote" and when to respect the will of the majority is the best
> we
> have come up with.
>
> Of course, there are always Plato's ideas on The Republic.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republic_%28Plato%29
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> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:11:14 -0400
> From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> Subject: [MD] FYI
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> http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=3329
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri,  3 Aug 2007 07:37:13 -0400
> From: pholden at davtv.com
> Subject: Re: [MD] Biological Quality & Social Conservatism
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> Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu>:
>
> > [Arlo previously]
> > >From whose intellect do we derive the right of "free speech", a right
> that I
> > take it you think the majority should not be able to vote away?
> >
> > [Platt]
> > Good question. What's the answer?
> >
> > [Arlo]
> > Well, I suppose the "literal" answer would be, in this case, a
> "consensus of
> > learned individuals appealing to philosophy and reason". Perhaps adding
> "with
> > the power to enforce their decision on anyone who would dissent"
> (assuming
> > there were colonists who may have not liked the whole "free speech"
> thing).
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like the Founding Fathers.
>
> > Much as it is beleagured, I think representational government, with a
> guarded
> > divisions of power, with the capability to determine when something
> transcends
> > "majority vote" and when to respect the will of the majority is the best
> we
> > have come up with.
>
> Also, this sound pretty much like the system in place in the U.S. today.
>
> > Of course, there are always Plato's ideas on The Republic.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republic_%28Plato%29
>
> Somehow rule by philosophers strikes me as a really bad idea, I guess
> because
> Richard Rorty comes to mind.
>
> All in all, however, I can't think of any better answers than those you
> express here. Thanks.
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> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Biological Quality & Social Conservatism
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>      [SA previously]
> > >      Majorities have allowed slavery and
> > cannibalism in certain societies.  I would say
> intellect would
> > be of better light than majorities.
>
>
>      [Platt]
> > Whose intellect if not the intellect of majorities?
>
>
>      Easy.  How did the majority change their minds
> about slavery?
>
>
> goin' away for over a week,
> SA
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri,  3 Aug 2007 09:54:45 -0400
> From: pholden at davtv.com
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> Quoting Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>:
>
> >      [SA previously]
> > > >      Majorities have allowed slavery and
> > > cannibalism in certain societies.  I would say
> > intellect would
> > > be of better light than majorities.
> >
> >
> >      [Platt]
> > > Whose intellect if not the intellect of majorities?
> >
> >
> >      Easy.  How did the majority change their minds
> > about slavery?
>
> You mean go to war to change minds?
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