[MD] Alternatives approaches to evolution

[ian glendinning]

Hi David,

Yup, I did use "random" but in scare quotes - it's the classic
Darwinian term often used, but full of potential to mislead -
problematic as you say.

As Platt mentioned in another thread - DQ is Pirsig's metaphor for the
processes giving rise to the opportunities for change within
evolution.

What we call it is less important than how we see it and as you (and
I)  also said elsewhere - with Pirsigian DQ we're really looking more
at a (Whiteheadian) process view rather than some static ontological
view.

Ian

On 8/15/07, David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Ian
>
> Playing devil's advocate actually. But kinda think that what we call DQ
> may be missed by reference to a problematic notion called 'random'
> and too much focus on only SQ.
>
> David M
>
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>
>
> > Hmm, no I don't think so David, many levels to address this one.
> >
> > There is one thread that might say there is an infinity of
> > "possibilities" and all sorts of probabilities of all their histories
> > over time.
> >
> > More common-sensically, selection can only happen from the variety
> > that actually arises, not an infinity at any one time. There are many
> > mechanisms by which the available possibilities can be realized - some
> > essentially the classic "random genetic mutations" - but many
> > environmental physio-chemical influences on cells (and their other
> > components and assemblies) to pick up on your other point, and
> > tendencies for certain patterns of change to arise more regularly
> > because of the existence of the patterns of value in nature (at all
> > levels too) .... a whole wealth of neo-Darwinian work.
> >
> > Are you asking me to expand on all these latter mechanisms ?
> > Ian
> >
> > On 8/15/07, David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Hi Ian
> >>
> >> Any thoughts on where all the variety comes from
> >> that natural selection is able to pcim and mix from?
> >>
> >> It sorts of suggests that this universe is just a selection
> >> from an infinity that already exists.
> >>
> >> David M
> >>
> >>
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