[MD] Voting

[MarshaV]

Jos,

I just started researching and it doesn't look good.  I am concerned 
with higher level manipulation which could be easily accomplished 
without access to the software and without thorough auditing.  There 
is presently much noise being made by multiple groups within my 
state.  But this technology upgrade has been a major political and 
monetary investment and there's much push back.  But to say that it 
could be manipulated does not mean that it will be manipulated.

I live in a small town, and the poll workers seem to be mostly 
well-meaning elderly retirees.  They seem to be more frightened of 
the technology itself than the consequences of using it.  While the 
size of the town I live in makes it less likely to be a target of 
manipulation, I can easily see the danger for larger 
municipalities.  I will continue the research.  For instance, there 
may be a very tight audit procedure in place, but I doubt it.  We'll see.

Glad to hear Michael Moore has an international following.

Marsha





At 06:23 AM 8/8/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Marsha,
>
>We still have physical hand counting of votes and you physically see 
>it on election night on the TV, there are all sorts of observers and 
>the counting halls are crawling with journalists and camera crews, I 
>admit its an antiquated system but it does give you palpable sense 
>of transparency.
>We recently moved to the option of postal voting and immediately 
>there was a drop in confidence.
>I think that to lose the visibility alltogether would really worry 
>me if it happened here.
>
>I agree it doesn't pay to be too paranoid about these things, and of 
>course wherever theres a will theres a way, but as soon as you 
>reduce something to data on a speadsheet your ballot becomes just 
>data in a cell and its hard to convince yourself that the scope for 
>abuse hasn't been increased. I wouldn't think it likely that 
>anything sinister was going on at high levels, but local activism is 
>a different kettle of fish.
>
>Would be interested to hear what your researches uncover, as you can 
>probably tell my fragile mind has been largely poisoned by Michael Moore.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Jos
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of MarshaV
> > Sent: 08 August 2007 11:04
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Voting
> >
> >
> > At 05:59 AM 8/8/2007, you wrote:
> > >Fine, no revolutions in prospect, I think instead then you should
> > >get tins of vittles and go hide in the woods with SA till Hillary
> > >gets sworn in.
> >
> > Please explain what you mean without the sarcasm.
> >
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
> > > > [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of MarshaV
> > > > Sent: 08 August 2007 10:49
> > > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Voting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 05:03 AM 8/8/2007, you wrote:
> > > > >How low does your confidence the voting system have to
> > fall before,
> > > > >you consider the result to be void and take to the streets?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jos,
> > > >
> > > > Difficult question.  I don't like this depth of skepticism.  Up to
> > > > now, my exposure to this particular voting issue has been rather
> > > > vague and presumptuous.  Firsthand experience is bringing
> > the problem
> > > > into greater focus, and I am doing some research.   I
> > believe first
> > > > in the rule-of-law, so I'm not ready to even consider
> > > > alternatives.   To actually think there is an organized effort to
> > > > subvert voting is too much for my mind to grasp.   Yet I have no
> > > > intentions of sticking my head in the sand either.
> > > >
> > > > Marsha
> > > >
> > > >
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