[MD] Contents of Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8

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Quoting Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com>:

> Platt,
> 
> Are you using the "it depends what is means" defense? Beautiful!
> 
> Micah

Micah:

Mo. I using exactly what it means in normal usage. To deny or distort the meaning
of words is a device of the propagandist.

Platt


> 
> Quoting Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com>:
> 
> > Platt,
> >
> > You asked for examples of W. Bush lying, I gave them to you.
> >
> > You have responded with red herrings, you favorite being that Clinton is a
> > liar. On that point, I agree, but we were talking about Bush lies.
> >
> > Micah
> 
> Micah:
> 
> As I pointed out, none of your examples qualify as lies. To lie you have to
> be
> aware of the truth at the time of the alleged lie. The Big Lie, repeated by
> you
> and many others on the left, is that Bush lied -- a propaganda technique
> made
> famous by Joseph Goebbels.
> 
> Platt
> 
> >
> >
> > Quoting Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com>:
> >
> > > Platt,
> > >
> > > When his lips move.
> > >
> > > Actually, many times. How has the "uniter, not a divider" done so far?
> >
> > Blocked by left-wing radicals.
> >
> > > Didn't he parse up the world into "you're either for us or against us"?
> > > Pretty uniting? Or was he lying?
> >
> > You think we should unite with those dedicated to killing us?
> >
> > > Or how about when he says "the terrorists are trying to take our
> freedom"?
> > > American citizens have a RIGHT of freedom, it cannot be taken
> away...what
> > is
> > > he trying to imply? That our right to freedom can be taken away, by
> anyone
> > > including him? I'd certainly call that a lie.
> >
> > You think you would be free under Sharia law? You think the Chinese are
> free
> > under Communist rule?
> >
> > > He said he wouldn't use the "enemy combatant" status on an American
> > citizens
> > > if that provision passed. He named U.S. citizen Padilla an "enemy
> > combatant"
> > > within 6 month of the provision's passage. I'd certainly call that a
> lie.
> >
> > Changing your mind when circumstances require is not lying.
> >
> > > But, go ahead and Google "George W. Bush Lies" and see what happens...
> >
> > You go ahead and Google "Bill Clinton" lies" and see what happens . . .
> >
> > > There is no argument here, Bush is a liar.
> >
> > To lie you have to be aware of the truth at the time of the lie, like the
> > times
> > Clinton lied under oath. None of your examples above qualify. The
> accusation
> > that Bush is a liar is itself a big lie.
> >
> > Platt


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