[MD] Alternatives approaches to evolution

[ian glendinning]

Hi David,

As I say I wasn't excluding any natural processes, and IF "many
worlds" is a good model for quantum processes, then that is simply
part of the natural processes by which alternatives arise and get
resolved (by "natural" selection). Without living (reproductive,
breeding as you put it) cycles the processes are "simply" physical,
and natural (newtonian) cause-effect models more explanatory to most
people's psyche, without any contentious "it's just a theory,
unprovable" Darwin debates needed ....

.... except at the weirder quantum end of the scale, where the common
sense (of everyday empiricism) fails us again.

I don't see DQ constrained to any one level or scale in these processes however.

I suspect you must be getting at something I'm missing David ?
Ian

On 8/18/07, David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Ian/SA
>
> Actually there is also a selection from the possible according
> to many worlds theory prior to natural selections of the best
> breeders. I wonder if it is at this point that DQ works its
> quality choices. Does random equal those choices where
> DQ is indifferent?
>
> Ta
> David M
>
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>
> >     [Ian]
> >> More common-sensically, selection can only happen
> >> from the variety
> >> that actually arises, not an infinity at any one
> >> time.
> >
> >     What kind of selection?  If we are taking about
> > the organic, natural selection, then I've heard of
> > neutral genes that are NOT within the scope of
> > selection.  Selection works between 'things' that can
> > be selected.  I'm not an expert on this topic, but
> > from reading Gould, this is basically his summary
> > view.  As to selection involving quantum level to
> > further organization upon the inorganic level, where
> > and how selection would work is not a topic.
> > Selection is not organized upon this level, thus, not
> > a force on this level.  It's as if a comet flying by
> > in another galaxy is directly involved with me
> > spilling my coffee as I drive the vehicle on the
> > bumping road here.
> >
> >
> >     [Ian]
> >> There are many mechanisms by which the available
> > possibilities can
> >> be realized - some essentially the classic "random
> > genetic
> >> mutations"
> >
> >     This is another way.
> >
> >     [Ian]
> >> - but many environmental physio-chemical influences
> > on cells
> >> (and their other components and assemblies) to pick
> > up on your
> >> other point, and tendencies for certain patterns of
> > change to arise
> >> more regularly because of the existence of the
> > patterns of value in
> >> nature (at all levels too) .... a whole wealth of
> > neo-Darwinian work.
> >
> >     Are you pointing out how certain patterns
> > organize?  Thus, change or influence into larger
> > patterns of organization?  By larger I do mean
> > quantatively.
> >
> >
> > SA
> >
> >
> >
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