[MD] subject / object logic

[Ham Priday]

Hey, Platt --

Just to wrap up the morality issue...some points to ponder.

I said that morality infers choice.  You said:

> Morality has nothing to do with whether an entity can
> "help" being moral or not.

Certainly a human entity can choose whether to be moral or not.  Isn't this 
what morality is all about?  You're asking me to believe that the vast 
uninhabited universe beyond earth is a moral system.  Who determines its 
moral status?  Who but man determines its value?  Can you name any positive 
value that is not realized as good for man?  (Don't you find that strange?)

> The moral choices that created the moral hierarchy were
> made by certain building blocks of nature like particles, atoms,
> cells, molecules, organisms and minds responding to the moral
> force of Dynamic Quality.

The suggestion that particles, atoms, and molecules collaborated together to 
create the universe sounds to me like something from Disneyland.  Wouldn't 
it be more plausible to consider this the work of a "central planner" --  
shall we say, a Creator?  If intelligent human beings can't work together to 
stabilize civilization on this planet, how in the world could a disparate 
collection of insentient objects ever manage to create intelligent life 
forms?

We can quibble about terms, but this concept of morality stretches idealism 
far beyond anything Plato ever conceived.  Frankly, I find it incredulous.

No offense, but I suggest that you concentrate on discussing politics.

All the best,
Ham