[MD] An MOQ based political system

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com>:

> Well I never Ant,
> 
> I hadn't noticed your Mary Parker-Follett references before in your
> text-book (must re-visit), I've mentioned her here and on the blog
> many times and you've not responded. I'm a big fan.
> 
> Part of the problem we have, making progress in a subject like this,
> is the polarization of language which would be difficult even if we
> weren't dealing with the likes of Platt.

Ho hum. Gratuitous insults intended to belittle Platt continue unabated. 

> I've tended to use words like "governance" rather than "political
> system" and ultimately governance is about accepting limits to
> freedoms, what values those limits are based on, and what processes
> are used to resolve conflict where freedoms bump up against each
> other. (Platt simply feigns ignorance when I put the problem like that
> ... as if freedom was the last word on the matter.)

And continues . . .

> So whilst freedom is a no-brainer - the problem is both capitalism and
> anarchy are forms of freedom. Free markets of values, just with
> different values and market processes as their basis.
> 
> At one extreme, gav's view of freedom is so total it might be
> characterised as anarchy - no limits whatsoever. At the other Platt
> also see's almost total freedom but where the only limits are the
> (monetary) market values of capital.

And continues . . .

> I think you are absolutely right to emphasise the MoQ hierarchy of
> values, where monetary values are just examples social patterns only.
> (And this is really where the debate you've started should continue
> ... accepting that policy decisions of governance - where to allow
> patterns values to set limits on each other - is precisely what the
> MoQ values are about ...)
> 
> I have to smile though when I see you object to being tagged as "on
> the left" whilst quoting yor own chapter heading that refers to "the
> solution to capitalism" characterizing capitalism as a "problem" :-)
> 
> Be interesting to see if Platt can see past that and respond to the
> specific Pirsigian arguments you cite.

And continues . . .






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