[MD] subject / object logic

[MarshaV]

At 08:14 AM 8/30/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>[Marsha]
>I think Ant states it clearly in his PhD thesis:
>
>As Pirsig rejects both mind-substance (i.e. the 'ghost') and
>matter-substance (i.e. the 'machine') oriented ontologies of the world,
>he employs one underpinned by value based events, Quality is considered
>the source of subjects and objects and can be regarded as a Dynamic
>event (1995a, p.12); an 'event at which the subject becomes aware of the
>object.'  (ZMM, 1974a, p.239)  These Quality events (or processes),
>therefore, obtain the status as the fundamental unit or 'primitives' of
>the universe and provide a unity between the observer and the observed;
>knowing mind and object.
>
>(A Critical Analysis of Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of
>Quality,2005,Watts, p.133)
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>[Ron]
>Greetings, Quality or value Happens    when    subject meets object.
>
>my question, no one is able to answer, not because my cup is full but no
>one has
>answered it yet, they keep posting clips of the same statement. the one
>above.
>my question is this, how can value both preceed and happen as result of
>subject meeting object?
>how does it both create subject and object and result from subject and
>object meeting?
>I ask: can it not be interpreted 2 possible ways? a third even if it is
>interpreted
>as both being true?
>it's all I'm askin.
>and all I'm observin is how these interpretations manifest themselves
>here in the forum.
>I'm of your ilk, I see all as one. but some here see value preceeding
>s/o too and they are
>just as vindicated in their interpretation. I ask if value preceeds s/o
>it alludes
>to a subjective standpoint of projecting ourselves on the universe we
>experience.
>I'm open to any and all thoughts on this.
>thanks Marsha

Hi Ron,

Are you looking for one absolute answer?  That seems like a tough 
request where everything is relative, transient process.

I can only explain the way I experience it.  I will use the word 
quality rather than value because it makes more sense, to me, in 
respect to your question.   If All is Quality(Dynamic & static) and 
Quality(Dynamic & static) is process, than, to me, it doesn't 
matter.  All is process with no separation.  There is no subject or 
object.  That there is a perception of subject and object is just a 
mistaken static pattern of value.  This s/o dualistic point-of-view 
is sometimes useful for solving problems in the way that we do, but 
still not reality.

Your question:  How can Quality both proceed and happen as a result 
of subject meeting object?  There is only Quality.  Subject is 
process, object is process, and process is Quality (Dynamic & 
static).  The demarcation doesn't exist.

If my statements don't make sense to you, keep at the question.

Marsha