[MD] subject / object logic

[david buchanan]

Ron Kulp said:
I feel there is an area MOQ is overlooking by concentration on value alone. 
I feel perhaps Pirsig takes it to a subjective tilt by positing that value 
comes before subjects and objects and subjects and objects can be dropped or 
seperated from value. (Ron later added) ...Which then, of course, projects 
the universe as being a moral universe because now you are in the realm of 
the subjective without knowing it...

dmb says:
As I see it, here you're making some kind of mistake in logic and then 
projecting that mistake onto Pirsig. I mean, the charge of a "subjective 
tilt" defies Pirsig's central point in asserting a "pre-intellectual 
awareness". The most important characteristic of this "pure experience", as 
James calls it, is that it is prior to the distinction between self and 
world, between subject and object. It is also called an undivided experience 
because there are as yet no conceptual distinctions. Northrop's phrase fits 
for the same reason; the undifferentiated aesthetic continuum. And because 
this primary empirical reality lacks all divisions, we can't rightly call it 
subjective or objective. It is an experience which precedes that 
distinction.

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