[MD] Does Quality exist?

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Akshay, Redsky and Khaled

Gents, could you please edit your posts so one knows who is speaking 
to whom?

Anyway, Akshay wrote Nov. 30:  

> "Does Quality exist?" This isn't a valid question at all; this is
> realised as soon as you analyse the question. Quality is simply another
> name for Existence, because you start all of philosophic inquiry with
> one assumption, that of Existence. Therefore, it is like asking "does
> existence exist?". Akshay 

With which I profoundly agree ... from the MOQ point of view that is, 
from SOM qualities are subjective phenomena, colors, smell, sound  
... etc. don't exist "out there". The next argument that everything exist 
only "in here" is as much SOM as the former. 

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Redsky had written earlier:

(after first quoting my [Bo's] post)
> >This is ZAMM and fairly early while the Quality  debate was a 
> >game Pirsig played with his teacher colleagues. Later - in  LILA 
> >after the Reality=Quality postulate - such demonstrations became  
> >superfluous and useless. If quality is removed there is no  
> >existence at all, full stop!.
 
> Well, you could use the same logic to "prove" that God exists.  If you 
> remove God (and all of his actions) from the world, there is no  world.

I agree with this too, the "religious" metaphysics is a God/World  
dichotomy with God=the dynamic creator and the world his static 
creation. The big difference is that no religion has the level 
arrangement (perhaps material, biological and social) but NOT the 
intellectual, at least not (in my interpretation) as the subject/object 
distinction. By having this as its topmost value Quality's GOOD is 
beyond religion's GOD, in its vocabulary religion belongs at the social 
level of goodness.  

> > If it produces a 
> >more coherent world than SOM it's  proven fact (and THAT is 
> >does) 
 
> Do you happen to have the page numbers?  Sorry, I haven't read Lila in 
> ages.

It's at page 210 in my Corgi Paperback.Chapter 18.

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Khaled's input I'm not sure what was, maybe thet one about God, 
again edit your posts better.

Bo