[MD] Does Quality Exist?

[David M]

Hi Marsha

what about when we don't need to sustain them?
what do we/can we do then?

Thanks
David M

>
> While sustaining biological and social patterns
> Kill all intellectual patterns.
> Kill them completely
> And then follow Dynamic Quality
> And morality will be served.
>         (LILA, Chapter 32)
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> At least that's how I try to live it.  Of course, occasionally I
> forget.  Even most my chattering is play (except the feminist stuff.)
>
> Marsha
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> At 02:45 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote:
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>>In a message dated 12/1/2007 7:23:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>moq_discuss-request at lists.moqtalk.org writes:
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>>If we  value certain values more because we value more value in them,
>>i.e.,  because our values help us value these values, then why do
>>people who  evaluate art value between what's "value" and what they 
>>"value?"
>>---
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>>I bet I could tighten further by transforming the word  'people' and
>>the pronouns into 'valuing agents'.  I might also ask  why you asked
>>the question?   What is there other than  value?
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>>That's pretty much the essence of what I was getting at.  What is  there
>>besides value?  Well, I always found Pirsig's justification for  believing 
>>in
>>"quality" somewhat flimsy, and coming from an
>>(admittedly,  untutored) artistic
>>background, it seems curious to me that Pirsig feels that
>>a  definite break in
>>absolute quality (not subjective) can exist between two works  of art.  I
>>suppose you could say I value Bob Dylan's "Planet Waves" on
>>a  personal level but
>>reject its value on an artistic level, but here I'm operating  on two 
>>planes,
>>one of which relates to what matters to me (the former) and one  as
>>to what my
>>opinions mean to others (the latter).  But in those grooves,  there is a
>>(relatively) steady rhythm, no one hits any bum notes...so from
>>that  point of
>>view, the record has a lot of value (Quality?).
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