[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

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Quoting Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>:

> [Platt]
> Where you and I (and Pirsig) appear to depart is believing morality is in 
> nature "in the cosmic sense."  From Pirsig:
> 
> "It says that even at the most fundamental level of the universe, static 
> patterns of value and moral judgment are identical. The "Laws of Nature" 
> are moral laws." (Lila, 12) 
> 
> [Krimel]
> Setting aside for a moment the idea that Pirsig is on your team. Frankly I
> don't recall who the team captains are or who got to choose first.
> Nevertheless it is not like Pirsig is an oracle pronouncing divine commands
> from on high.
> 
> Chapter 12 is uncomfortably near that abysmal evolution dreck in Chapter 11.
> Maybe he had not gathered his thoughts. He certainly seems to have lost The
> Way. 
> 
> [Krimel]
> > The real issue is that while you do not see science as suggesting any
> > particular view of morality, I do. For me at least the morality is
> evolution
> > and evolutionary. Our moral imperative is to rear our young and make the
> > world a better place for those who come after us. I would suggest that few
> > societies have ever existed or at least long endured in defiance of this
> > moral precept. 
> 
> [Platt]
> You seem to the exception to what most scientists say, namely, that the 
> universe (which I presume includes us) has no purpose. 
> 
> [Krimel]
> That is not my understanding of what scientists say. I am not aware for many
> places, schools of thought or cultures that would deny: Our moral imperative
> is to rear our young and make the world a better place for those who come
> after us; Republicans not withstanding. Their morality seems more like: what
> is mine is mine and what is yours is mine if I can take it. Damn the kids
> let them pay for our mistakes. Here's hoping that the wheels of evolution
> grind them to a pulp in my lifetime!
> 
> Gotta go now I hear the daily Jesus Pool Party starting up near by...
> 
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