[MD] Knowledge as MOQ's intellect

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David M.

On 9 Dec 2007 you responded to my conclusion: (below) 
 
> > Here Pirsig foresees how a MOQ-steeped future may sort out 
> > these things better, but THAT presupposes a 4th. level=SOM that of
> > knowledge in the objective, truth, sense, just what he speaks of in
> > this passage. Not the mysterious mental faculty that has been
> > hijacked by SOM. 

DM:
> I think this is wrong because for me the MOQ transforms
> the objective-knowledge of SOM into the value derived
> knowledge of experience, a knowledge that is not essentialist
> or a knowledge about things-in-themselves. 

Can I get one thing straight? Do you see SOM (objective 
knowledge) as something that has corrupted a pre-existing 
"intellect" or do you agree with my analysis of the said passage 
from LILA, that it (by many twists and turns) shows that SOM is 
the intellectual level? All of it, every last bit? As long as this 
Gordian Knot isn't cut such "solutions" as yours will be necessary 
and the MOQ keeps limping along.  

The first point is that SOM in spite of starting as knowledge - as 
truth - created its own necessary subjective counterpoint. This the 
4th. level (due to all levels' static blindness) allocated to (what in 
MOQ's overview is) the social level. The error of seeing the SOM 
as something that corrupted "intellect" and the error of seeing the 
Sophists as resisting this corruption (instead of the subjectivists 
they really were) gives the MOQ its unholy subjective slant. 

"Value derived knowledge of experience, not essentialist or a 
knowledge about things in themselves" Don't you see how this 
perpetuates the SOM in a mock-MOQish way. There is a thing-in-
themselves (objectivity) while intellectual patterns are mere 
"value derived (read: subjective) knowledge" .... on and on the 
SOM screw turns.      

Bo