[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

[David M]

SA

They are both events if that is all you are saying?
DM

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>
>     [DM]
>> I could not think of any extra way to explain.
>> Try this. I need to write a sentence in an email.
>> There are more POSSIBLE (emphasis on word) sentences
>> then could
>> be written between now and the end of time. I have
>> access to a small
>> part of this possible range, yet even this is vast
>> and I will die before I
>> could write all the sentences I am capable of. But I
>> live and so I must
>> choose.
>> And these are the sentences I give you. From the
>> possible (that is real and
>> exists for me, how else do I access it) I decide
>> which sentences to make
>> actual. And here they are. Quite magical and a big
>> responsibility when you
>> come
>> to think of it. The past puts us within reach of a
>> certain range of the
>> possible,
>> but we can only actualise a small part of what is
>> possible for us, so we
>> have
>> to choose. Such is life.It is a forsaking of much
>> that is possible to
>> actualise very
>> little of it.
>> Does that help?
>
>
>     DM, it's not the defining of random and choice
> that I'm having difficulty with.  I said in my first
> response to this line of discussion that both are
> dependently originated.  I see randomness and choice
> decisions occuring at the same time.  Randomness and
> preferences happening co-dependently.  We can make
> them distinct, and I mentioned that easily happens.
> I'm pointing out how both can happen even in the same
> event.
>     Wiktionary says random is as follows:
>
>     "1- All outcomes being equally probable
>      2- Unpredictable
>      3- Having apparent lack of plan, cause or
> reason"
>
>
>     There were other definitions, feel free to look
> at them.
>
>     Choice (same source):
>   "1- An option; a decision; an opportunity to choose
> or select something.
>     2- One selection or preference; that which is
> chosen or decided; the outcome of a decision.
>     3- Anything that can be choosen.
>     4- (definite: the choice): The best or most
> preferable part"
>
>
>     I don't like to split hairs, and I don't want to
> make this an all of nothing definition.  But at this
> moment I see randomness as dynamic, and choice is the
> valuing process amidst this unpredictable, lack of
> reasoning events.  We, as humans, may apply reason,
> and make a choice.  We may prefer something in this
> randomness, and make a final decision and pick
> something.  Now, what would these applied together, in
> unison, be called.  The event process is one way of
> looking at this.  I don't see these (choice and
> random) being separate events, but co-dependent in a
> bigger event that includes the two.
>    So, what were you trying to get at?
>
> raining,
> SA
>
>
> 
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