[MD] Knowledge as MOQ's intellect

[MarshaV]

At 08:29 AM 12/17/2007, you wrote:

>      [Marsha]
> > I'd like to suggest something.  Sometimes knowing
> > comes in it's
> > negative form:   It's not what I am told it is.
> > It's not what I
> > think it is.  The experience is proving different.
>
>[SA]
>      Marsha, I think your right on here.  This is
>exactly what I meant by 'mountains are no longer
>mountains'.  It is a dynamic experience where
>everybody seems to be saying, by experience.  For
>instance bums would see an experience of people with
>cars, going to work, building tall buildings, bridges,
>and the way they walk around with hands full of
>groceries, etc...  How do bums see their experience
>compared to the experience they see everybody else
>living that aren't bums?  This is a question that
>would be difficult to fully answer, but my original
>point was that bums know quality already.  Bums live
>at the fringe of society and thus, have a very
>different experience and view of reality.  They have a
>dynamic experience.  Maybe more dynamic than
>intellects who try to 'think outside the box', but
>have difficulty changing their experiences (Do bums
>waste and ruin the environment more than consumers in
>the U.S.?).  If bums don't have any input into how
>this society is taking care of its' people, then who
>knows best - everybody that has all this extra $ to
>buy the lastest toys for Christmas and they'll wait in
>long lines all night just to get them?
>      Peter says bums deserve their experience, but
>Peter does say there are exceptions and some have bad
>luck.  This is a long argument that has been around
>for awhile - the argument that poor people don't work
>as hard as rich people.  I don't want to get into this
>argument I find it a waste of time at this moment for
>it seems an argument that people in cozy warm houses
>make over tea while they reminisce over the bums they
>saw in town earlier in the freezin' cold.
>
>
>woods,
>SA

SA,

Dropouts.  It's waking up from the social dream.  It's to have you 
value system unglued.  "It's not this!  It's not that!  What the hell 
is going on???"  I imagine it can happen under many different 
circumstances.  Combat, with its death and destruction, might be a 
situation that can send you mind into a spin.  Sometimes it might be 
a single question that can't be answered that can shatter the whole 
system.  Reactions probably vary.  If you're not prepared for it, it 
may be quiet a violent shock.  I wonder about the kid that randomly 
shot people at a mall.  Timothy McVeigh?  Etc.   When it's gone what 
do you hold on to?  And then for the lucky ones, what kind of 
restructuring occurs.

I try not to judge dropouts, or "bums".  I have no idea of their 
experience.  I am more saddened by the people who buy the social 
dream, hook, line and sinker.  It sustains the mess.  I dropped out, 
but it was comparably gentle and with some luck.  And I had books to 
keep me warm.  Krishnamurti, Nietzsche, Pirsig!!!  There was someone 
there to say it's okay.

knowing nothing,
Marsha