[MD] What is SOM?

[David M]

Hi Peter

Indeed, and human subjects are 'subjected' to divine commands
they must obey, until they start to ask whether creative and
commanding powers can be stolen from the gods.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Corteen" <psigenics at googlemail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] What is SOM?


> How about God and the World as the very first subject and object.
> 
> -Peter
> 
> On 17/12/2007, skutvik at online.no <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
>>
>> Steve and Group
>>
>> 16 Dec. you wrote:
>>
>> > What I'm seeing in the exchange quoted below is a lot of difference
>> > in view of what SOM is. I've started a new thread here to see what if
>> > we can clarify.
>>
>> > I think if SOM mostly in terms of subjective/objective knowledge
>> > distinctions while you see it as symbol/what is symbolized.
>>
>> I repeat that "symbol/what's symbolized" is just one of SOM'
>> many facets.
>>
>> > Can others provide evidence of what Pirsig means by subject-object
>> > metaphysics?
>>
>> We all hopefully agree that ZAMM's "Greek section" describes
>> the emergence, development and coming of age of SOM.
>> (my caps)
>>
>>     Anaxagoras and Parmenides had a listener named
>>     Socrates who carried their ideas into full fruition. What is
>>     essential to understand at this point is that until now there
>>     was no such thing as MIND and MATTER, SUBJECT and
>>     OBJECT, FORM and SUBSTANCE. Those divisions are
>>     just dialectical inventions that came later.
>>
>> There are surely more S/O derivatives, Mind/body, mental/
>> corporeal, abstract/concrete and the said symbol/what's
>> symbolized are obvious. One more subtle is nurture/nature but as
>> we know, these two never agrees on who determines mankind, so
>> it's typical S/O. "Soul" was Greece's contribution to Judaism that
>> constituted Christianity so soul/body is another dichotomy. SOM
>> has had an enormous influence on Western philosophy by
>> creating the problem (all western thinking are footnotes to Plato
>> they say) and has coloured all "solutions". Pirsig is the first to
>> have put the bell on the cat and could have been the next Plato,
>> but regrettably did not complete the task that Phaedrus started.
>>
>>
>> IMO
>>
>> Bo
>>
>>
>>
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