[MD] What is SOM?

[David M]

important quote
deserves more attention from us all

DM
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Peterson" <stevenkpeterson at mac.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] What is SOM?


> Hi Krimel,
> 
> On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:05 PM, Krimel wrote:
>> Steve,
>> I think you have pegged an important issue here...
>> With regard to subjective/objective knowledge I agree with you as  
>> far as you
>> have taken it. I would add that there really is only subjective  
>> knowledge. I
>> only know what I know. I will only ever know whatever it is I wind up
>> knowing. There is only one subject, at least in my world. Objective
>> knowledge is knowledge that you and I can agree upon or at least  
>> agree to
>> disagree about. I like to think of it as intersubjective knowledge  
>> and there
>> the dualism is swept away. The subject/object distinction is really  
>> little
>> more than a matter of linguistic convenience.
> 
> 
> I think what you are saying is consistent with Pirsig:
> 
> "What guarantees the objectivity of the world in which we live is that
> this world is common to us with other thinking beings. Through the
> communications that we have with other men we receive from them
> ready-made harmonious reasonings. We know that these reasonings do not
> come from us and at the same time we recognize in them, because of their
> harmony, the work of reasonable beings like ourselves. And as these
> reasonings appear to fit the world of our sensations, we think we may
> infer that these reasonable beings have seen the same thing as we; thus
> it is that we know we haven't been dreaming. It is this harmony, this
> quality if you will, that is the sole basis for the only reality we can
> ever know." [ZMM p.268]
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Steve
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