[MD] What is SOM?
skutvik at online.no
skutvik at online.no
Sat Dec 22 01:29:37 PST 2007
Marsha and Steve.
21 Dec. Steve cited Marsha's
> >Seems to me a view is a static pattern of value. Why couldn't a
> >pattern exist in both the social level and intellectual level? One
> >based on belief and habit (social), the other based on a patterns
> >within science and a patterns within philosophy (intellectual).
Turn it around to better understand. The levels are results of
dynamic efforts to free existence from the strictures of the former
level, thus all patterns of the lower level exists inside the upper.
(as Pirsig says "all patterns are contained inside the intellectual
level) For example, USA is an intellect-dominated culture, but
when the "bells toll" (Sep.11 f.ex.) the social values of patriotism,
willingness to sacrifice, duty ...etc. emerges, but when the dust
settles the superior intellect returnes and take charge.
> Steve:
> I think social patterns are the hardest thing to understand about the
> MOQ. As I see it, beliefs are intellectual. Habits to the extent they
> refer to habits of mind like dividing experience into categories of
> subjects and objects are patterns of thought and are intellectual as
> well.
How complicated is it possible to make such an elegant system
as the static levels? Language is (originally) a social pattern - the
ultimate one - but was adopted by intellect to serve its value. The
term "belief" in a social (religious) context indicates devotion to
God, but will in an intellectual context be used to express
devotion to democratic institutions.
Bo
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