[MD] What is SOM?
skutvik at online.no
skutvik at online.no
Mon Dec 24 02:41:17 PST 2007
Marsha and Steve, All
Marsha cited LILA :
> "Therefore, to the question, 'What is the purpose of all this
> intellectual knowledge?' the Metaphysics of Quality answers, 'The
> fundamental purpose of knowledge is to Dynamically improve and
> preserve society.'" (LILA, Chapter 24)
And added:
> I would like my question answered about the direct quote from your
> 12/22/2007 04:29 AM post, "all patterns are contained inside the
> intellectual level". Was it a mistake, a misquote, or can you
> provide a reference?
(the "mistake" part is cleared up) but the quote is interesting in
connection with Steve's of 23 December:
> Bo said:
> > ...The levels are results of dynamic efforts to free existence from
> > the strictures of the former level,
> Steve:
> Well put. Note also that there could not be static latching if this
> dynamic effort did not support the former level. Social patterns
> emerged to support life. Intellectual patterns emerged to support
> societies.
The intellectual LEVEL did not emerge to support the social level.
It was a social pattern too dynamic to "live at home" that became
the intellectual level. The said necessary latching was at the
intellectual level for it to survive. The social level had latched for
hundred of thousands of years and needed no support, rather to
be controlled.
In the LILA quote the dynamic (social) pattern that became the
intellectual LEVEL is called "knowledge" and because Pirsig (in
the PT letter) says that it's best to see intellect arriving with the
old Greeks it's plain as day that knowledge is the "objective" kind
(not that of hunting and warring) Conclusion: The intellectual
level is the S/O aggregate (SOM minus "M")
The point about intellect's purpose is to preserve society stems
from the ambiguity of the term "society". Social VALUE needs no
preservation it is a lower and stronger latch, the one that
existence drops down to when/if intellect is shaken. "Society" in
the country or state sense is certainly improved if social value is
overlaid by intellectual value. We see the harsh treatment of
people in the social-value-steeped muslim countries. They would
certainly have benefited from intellectual (Western) values, but
the levels are blind, social value looks upon intellect as "immoral"
and intellect yelps about "politics". Only the MOQ provides the
true view.
> Bo:
> > thus all patterns of the lower level exists inside the upper.
> > (as Pirsig says "all patterns are contained inside the intellectual
> > level)
> Steve:
> This sounds like Ken Wilbur, not Pirsig. Where does he say this? I
> imagine context is important to understand such a quote.
No, it's Pirsig but has no impact on this issue.
Bo
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