[MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?)

Wed Feb 7 08:43:36 PST 2007

Micah,

The key point that you have thus far steadfastly refused to acknowledge is
that in following the line of thinking you suggest, you have no business
talking about what other humans or Man in the plural experiences. You are
advocating some weird brand of solipsism. This is cool because there really
is no logic that can be brought to bear on it. It is however almost
universally thought to be a silly thing to think.

Case

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Platt,

So now let me understand, you say "it is true that the
inference of of independent existence cannot be demonstrated", so you agree
that nothing can be shown to exist independent of  humans? Meaning the
statement is fact regardless of your faith? Isn't that objectivity?

On what day, of your everyday experience, have you experienced reality to
exist independent of humans? Everyday I wake up, my right ankle hurts for an
instant, I believe it is a angel pinching me for good luck - should I doubt
that philosophically, after all it's what I believe and you have stated I
shouldn't doubt my beliefs.

You have too much clutter, and that clutter is your faith. And you won't let
go...so there you are.

Micah

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Platt Holden
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:39 AM
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Quoting Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com>:

> "Nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans" is an objective
> statement. It is fact.

Not an objective fact, only a logical truism. It is true that the
inference of of independent existence cannot be demonstrated. But we
justify such belief pragmatically: we act and survive in the world by
assuming it. We should not doubt in philosophy what we believe from
everyday experience to be the case.

Platt

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