[MD] The Anti-entropic Miopic

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[Mark]
>From an moq perspective there are four levels of patterns at  work here:
1. The inorganic is increasing in thermal entropy/disorder. (By  the way,
you recently rejected entropy as a measure of  disorder.)

[Case]
If the levels work fine, if not, oh well. I am not  sure why I rejected this
but I am not a physicist, I don't even play one on  TV.

[Mark]
2. Biological patterns parasitising thermal entropy for an  increase in
information order.

[Case]
Biological patterns don't  parasite entropy they transform energy and some
gets lost along the way as a  sort of entropy tax.
 
Mark 12-02-07: Hello Case,
This is most interesting because what you are saying is very close, it  seems 
to me, to stating that a Dickens novel is made of paper and Ink.
It surely can be, and certainly was as a first edition (when collected into  
novel form) but the novel is more than paper and ink.
DNA is a mass/energy combination but its structure is more than  mass/energy.

[Mark]
3. There is no acknowledgement of social patterns  in Hawking's account,
which is unsurprising. However, Hawking does not exist  in a socially
conditioned vacuum.

[Case]
Hawking is not concerned  with societies but if you look at the growth in
complexity of societies, it  follows from an increased ability to use and
transform energy. From fire to  agriculture and domestic animals to water
wheels to steam to internal  combustion societies have become increasing
complex through the  transformation of energy.
 
Mark 12-02-07:
To extend the Dickens novel analogy this is a bit like saying his novels  are 
now available on CD-ROM.

[Mark]
4. The intellectual patterns of  science. Note the paradigm employed by  
Hawking delineates between  energy and information.

[Case]
Ian or Arlo would be better able to  comment on this. I tend to think the
information metaphor is over used and  can be misleading but then I don't
have that firm a grip on the  concept.
 
Mark 12-02-07:
Fair play to you.

[Mark] 
No. 6: What do you want?
No. 2:  In-Form-ation.
No. 6: Well, you won't get it!
No. 2: By hook or by crook  we will. (followed by manic laughter).

[Case]
I don't get it.  (followed by confused but polite laughter).
 
Mark 12-02-07:
You mean?
You mean to say?
You mean to say that you have NEVER seen, 'The Prisoner' staring the  
enigmatic Patrick McGoohan?
 
Be seeing you.
Mark
 
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